
Hi All, Recently it has come up that the same staff receiving payments for fines and fees shouldn't be the same staff who can also forgive those same fines and fees. In our library it is all centralized at our Circ desk, and our Circ staff deals with all monetary transactions. It has never been an issue before, but now our Business Manager thinks it could become one for our auditors. I feel it would be a major inconvenience to our patrons if we have to find another staff person to witness the transaction everytime we forgive a fine. Looking for feedback to see what other libraries do. Thank you, Anita Chouinard Circulation Coordinator Traverse Area District Library

I am trying to understand what the actual issue is here. Is it loss prevention? (If so, is there an actual history of loss here?) Do you keep a ledger of monies received vs forgiven? Or is it that those in charge of collecting funds are arbitrarily forgiving debt? I can't really speak to best practices from my library, but in my previous career I managed a bank and you can feel free to email me if you need some advice on putting cash controls in place. I agree that whatever solution you come to shouldn't impact your patrons. Steven Kish On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 10:07 AM Anita Chouinard via Michlib-l < michlib-l@mcls.org> wrote:
Hi All,
Recently it has come up that the same staff receiving payments for fines and fees shouldn't be the same staff who can also forgive those same fines and fees. In our library it is all centralized at our Circ desk, and our Circ staff deals with all monetary transactions. It has never been an issue before, but now our Business Manager thinks it could become one for our auditors. I feel it would be a major inconvenience to our patrons if we have to find another staff person to witness the transaction everytime we forgive a fine. Looking for feedback to see what other libraries do.
Thank you,
Anita Chouinard Circulation Coordinator Traverse Area District Library _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@mcls.org http://mail2.mcls.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l
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I'd also suggest that you should see if your auditors have ever issued a finding on this topic. We are a very small library and while our auditors routinely recommend we use a cash register for cash control we don't have one or any plan to get one. The auditors make clear it is a suggestion, not a critical finding, and we have the same exchange every year. Ann Sanders Director Dorothy Hull Library Windsor Charter Township 405 W Jefferson Dimondale MI 48821 517-646-0633 dimondalelibrary@gmail.com windsor-township.ploud.net On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 10:38 AM Steven Kish via Michlib-l < michlib-l@mcls.org> wrote:
I am trying to understand what the actual issue is here. Is it loss prevention? (If so, is there an actual history of loss here?) Do you keep a ledger of monies received vs forgiven? Or is it that those in charge of collecting funds are arbitrarily forgiving debt?
I can't really speak to best practices from my library, but in my previous career I managed a bank and you can feel free to email me if you need some advice on putting cash controls in place. I agree that whatever solution you come to shouldn't impact your patrons.
Steven Kish
On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 10:07 AM Anita Chouinard via Michlib-l < michlib-l@mcls.org> wrote:
Hi All,
Recently it has come up that the same staff receiving payments for fines and fees shouldn't be the same staff who can also forgive those same fines and fees. In our library it is all centralized at our Circ desk, and our Circ staff deals with all monetary transactions. It has never been an issue before, but now our Business Manager thinks it could become one for our auditors. I feel it would be a major inconvenience to our patrons if we have to find another staff person to witness the transaction everytime we forgive a fine. Looking for feedback to see what other libraries do.
Thank you,
Anita Chouinard Circulation Coordinator Traverse Area District Library _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@mcls.org http://mail2.mcls.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l
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*Steven Kish*
*Reference LibrarianLawrence Technological University Library21000 West Ten Mile RoadSouthfield, MI, 48075-1058(248) 204-3000* *skish@ltu.edu <skish@ltu.edu>* _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@mcls.org http://mail2.mcls.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l

Hi Anita: A single Circulation staff taking fines AND applying waivers is a common practice in many libraries of all types – including academic & public. I have not yet seen an audit for a library that has flagged this as an issue. The problem, of course, is internal controls, or the assurance that staff will not abuse or misapply the waiver process, and, transparency, or the ability to know the waivers granted, to whom they were granted, and by whom they were granted. There is no requirement that I can find that dictates libraries must have separate staff undertake these activities, and Internal controls/fraud management practices recommended by CPA/Auditing firms would suggest that a policy to prevent fraud/dishonesty should be crafted with considerations towards the size of the library, the resources and staff size of the library, and the risk involved. From what I can find, it seems that the important thing for this issue is that the library have clear and objective policies and practices for waivers, Including, perhaps a policy that a staff member cannot waive fines of family members and cannot waive fines for themselves. Additionally a policy should include suggested criteria/limitations for waivers (whether authorization is limited by amount of fine, repeated requests for waivers, etc.), and staff should be trained in their authorization to grant waivers. If applicable, the policy should also contain circumstances under which a supervisor’s approval may be necessary to approve waiver ( perhaps for higher $$ amounts, or repeat waivers -much like in some stores, approval is required from a higher level to complete a return of an item, or a price change). A control could also be as simple as requiring two on duty staff to initial/approve waivers. In addition, if your ILS does not have the ability to track waivers, then, for example, a log should be kept with patron, waiver amount, reason and staff initials. This provides a reporting mechanism and transparency. Like any policy, the waiver policy would have to be applied neutrally and evenly. Take a look at Chapter 10 (pp54-60) of the newly updated Public Library Financial Management Guide, which was coordinated by the Library of Michigan, and written by the Accounting/Auditing firm of Yao & Yao https://www.michigan.gov/documents/libraryofmichigan/LM_SLS_2019_Financial_M... As always, any policies – including fiscal policies- should be reviewed by your attorney, and perhaps your accountant/auditor. II hope this is helpful! Sincerely, Clare Clare D. Membiela, MLS, J.D. Library Law Consultant Library of Michigan MembielaC@michigan.gov<mailto:MembielaC@michigan.gov> 517-335-8132 The research and resources above are for informational purposes only and not for the purpose of providing legal advice. You should contact your attorney to obtain advice with respect to any particular issue or problem. [cid:image001.jpg@01D579DC.B445FFB0] Family Matters is an outreach effort to equip families of children with disabilities by offering free information and resources. Visit Family Matters<https://gcc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.michigan.gov%2Fmde%2F0%2C4615%2C7-140-6598_88187_81739---%2C00.html&data=02%7C01%7CMembielaC%40michigan.gov%7C6b2f721525734743bc6608d748155e89%7Cd5fb7087377742ad966a892ef47225d1%7C0%7C0%7C637057128957252684&sdata=CfbGmpHjM%2BYipHBj37MRXs3Z%2B5AkjkbhNJCA5enJgwE%3D&reserved=0>, call OSE Information Line at 888-320-8384 or Email: mde-ose@michigan.gov<mailto:mde-ose@michigan.gov>. From: michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org <michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org> On Behalf Of Anita Chouinard via Michlib-l Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2019 10:07 AM To: Michlib-l@mcls.org Subject: [Michlib-l] Question about handling money Hi All, Recently it has come up that the same staff receiving payments for fines and fees shouldn't be the same staff who can also forgive those same fines and fees. In our library it is all centralized at our Circ desk, and our Circ staff deals with all monetary transactions. It has never been an issue before, but now our Business Manager thinks it could become one for our auditors. I feel it would be a major inconvenience to our patrons if we have to find another staff person to witness the transaction everytime we forgive a fine. Looking for feedback to see what other libraries do. Thank you, Anita Chouinard Circulation Coordinator Traverse Area District Library

Thank you for all everyone's input. This was very helpful! Anita On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 10:07 AM Anita Chouinard <achouinard@tadl.org> wrote:
Hi All,
Recently it has come up that the same staff receiving payments for fines and fees shouldn't be the same staff who can also forgive those same fines and fees. In our library it is all centralized at our Circ desk, and our Circ staff deals with all monetary transactions. It has never been an issue before, but now our Business Manager thinks it could become one for our auditors. I feel it would be a major inconvenience to our patrons if we have to find another staff person to witness the transaction everytime we forgive a fine. Looking for feedback to see what other libraries do.
Thank you,
Anita Chouinard Circulation Coordinator Traverse Area District Library

Clare, et al..... I just want to take a moment to thank you for your sound advice and guidance for many of the questions on the listserv. Also thankful for all the wonderful, helpful staff at the State Library. Wishing you all the best in the New Year! Stephanie Masin Maud Preston Palenske Memorial Library St. Joseph On Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 1:12 PM Anita Chouinard via Michlib-l < michlib-l@mcls.org> wrote:
Thank you for all everyone's input. This was very helpful!
Anita
On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 10:07 AM Anita Chouinard <achouinard@tadl.org> wrote:
Hi All,
Recently it has come up that the same staff receiving payments for fines and fees shouldn't be the same staff who can also forgive those same fines and fees. In our library it is all centralized at our Circ desk, and our Circ staff deals with all monetary transactions. It has never been an issue before, but now our Business Manager thinks it could become one for our auditors. I feel it would be a major inconvenience to our patrons if we have to find another staff person to witness the transaction everytime we forgive a fine. Looking for feedback to see what other libraries do.
Thank you,
Anita Chouinard Circulation Coordinator Traverse Area District Library
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Anita Chouinard
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Dorothy Hull Library
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Membiela, Clare (MDE)
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Stephanie
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Steven Kish