Hello Everyone, I got an email from a young man in California wanting to participate (long distance) in our Summer Reading Program. He is a member of the I Double Dog Dare You Summer Reading Challenge Contest. Does anyone have experience with this? It sounds legit, but I would like to hear from past participants. Thank you, Pamela Withrow, Director Forsyth Township Public Library 180 W. Flint St. PO Box 1328 Gwinn, MI 49841 906-346-3433
Hi Pam, I thought it looked legit too. It's not, apparently. My teen librarian recognized this young man's name (Aaron Yang) immediately and said that there has been much discussion in Teen Librarian facebook groups about this "kid" and his apparent scam. One commenter on the facebook page Teen Services Underground said that they'd been getting this same letter/email since their library created a myspace page years ago. Participants in several FB groups have claimed that when told NO, the guy presenting himself as Aaron Yang presses the issue, spouts legalese, asks for the Director or a supervisor. Most recently, there was a push to report this to YALSA, who responded that it was out of their purview. He hits libraries nationwide with many, many librarians reporting in that they've gotten a letter or email from him. Many have gotten repeated attempts over a span of years. For those who are wondering, here is the complete text of his email: Hi, My name is Aaron Yang and I would to participate in the summer reading program for teens. Unfortunately, I live in the state of California, so I would really appreciate it if you can make an exception for me. The main reason I want to participate is because of IDDDYSRCC USA. It is for I Double Dog Dare You Summer Reading Challenge Contest USA. It was created 2 years ago by me and my friends. We had a semi-boring summer in 2014 and I came up with the idea. We all did the dare and I came in 2nd place last summer. It was so much fun and we kept doing it every year. Basically, we google search all the libraries in the USA and email every single one. What is IDDDYSRCC? IDDDYSRCC is a contest, or dare, that was created by 2 middle schoolers in 2014. Now in high school, the dare has continued. The dare has been moved into a contest and there are now 5 people in it. Each year, a king and queen of IDDDYSRCC. In order to be eligible to be in the contest, members must be first initiated. There will be a test to see the ability of the member's common sense and credibility. During the contest, the contesters must outnumber the number of the libraries that the king and queen are doing. For example, if I did 5 libraries and the king did 7, I lose. These libraries must not be in California. How does the point system/rules work? At the beginning of the contest, each person is to keep a secret on how many libraries that person is doing. Everyone will reveal their secrets at the awards dinner and party. Each member must at least email 2 libraries in each state of USA. This year, Canada is added for more amusement. Here is the point system: 1 point if the state is on the west coast of USA, excluding California. 2 points if state is located in the mountain regions 3 for midwestern states 4 for east coast states 5 for Hawaii, Alaska, or Canada Additional points: 2 points if you win a prize drawing at a library on the west coast 3 if you win a prize drawing at a library in mountain regions 4 for midwestern area 5 for east coast 6 for Hawaii and Alaska, AND 7 total plus the 5 if library is located in Canada. 10 points automatically if you win the grand prize at a library, counts only if you receive it! 20 for Canada!!!! Cant cajole a library to mail things? Beg them to mail at least something small, must have library name or address either on the item or envelope,box,package,etc.. and receive 5 points for trying. 5 for USA, 10 for Canada. Thanks, Aaron --- Katie Ester Director Shelby Township Library 51680 Van Dyke Shelby Township, MI 48316 (586) 726-2344 On 06/02/2016 10:18, Pam Withrow wrote:
Hello Everyone,
I got an email from a young man in California wanting to participate (long distance) in our Summer Reading Program. He is a member of the I Double Dog Dare You Summer Reading Challenge Contest. Does anyone have experience with this? It sounds legit, but I would like to hear from past participants.
Thank you,
Pamela Withrow, Director
Forsyth Township Public Library
180 W. Flint St.
PO Box 1328
Gwinn, MI 49841
906-346-3433
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I've gotten 6 emails alone this year. I only responded once with a polite no and that his local library would love to have him. I too have come to understand that he (who ever HE is) gets rather difficult. I would not respond. -Allison Boyer Allison Boyer ----------------------------------- Youth Services Librarian Loutit District Library Grand Haven, MI 49417 616-842-5560 ext. 219 On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 10:33 AM, Katie Ester <esterk@libcoop.net> wrote:
Hi Pam,
I thought it looked legit too. It's not, apparently. My teen librarian recognized this young man's name (Aaron Yang) immediately and said that there has been much discussion in Teen Librarian facebook groups about this "kid" and his apparent scam. One commenter on the facebook page Teen Services Underground said that they'd been getting this same letter/email since their library created a myspace page years ago. Participants in several FB groups have claimed that when told NO, the guy presenting himself as Aaron Yang presses the issue, spouts legalese, asks for the Director or a supervisor. Most recently, there was a push to report this to YALSA, who responded that it was out of their purview. He hits libraries nationwide with many, many librarians reporting in that they've gotten a letter or email from him. Many have gotten repeated attempts over a span of years.
For those who are wondering, here is the complete text of his email:
Hi,
My name is Aaron Yang and I would to participate in the summer reading program for teens. Unfortunately, I live in the state of California, so I would really appreciate it if you can make an exception for me.
The main reason I want to participate is because of IDDDYSRCC USA. It is for I Double Dog Dare You Summer Reading Challenge Contest USA. It was created 2 years ago by me and my friends. We had a semi-boring summer in 2014 and I came up with the idea. We all did the dare and I came in 2nd place last summer. It was so much fun and we kept doing it every year. Basically, we google search all the libraries in the USA and email every single one.
What is IDDDYSRCC?
IDDDYSRCC is a contest, or dare, that was created by 2 middle schoolers in 2014. Now in high school, the dare has continued. The dare has been moved into a contest and there are now 5 people in it. Each year, a king and queen of IDDDYSRCC. In order to be eligible to be in the contest, members must be first initiated. There will be a test to see the ability of the member's common sense and credibility. During the contest, the contesters must outnumber the number of the libraries that the king and queen are doing. For example, if I did 5 libraries and the king did 7, I lose. These libraries must not be in California.
How does the point system/rules work?
At the beginning of the contest, each person is to keep a secret on how many libraries that person is doing. Everyone will reveal their secrets at the awards dinner and party. Each member must at least email 2 libraries in each state of USA. This year, Canada is added for more amusement. Here is the point system:
1 point if the state is on the west coast of USA, excluding California.
2 points if state is located in the mountain regions
3 for midwestern states
4 for east coast states
5 for Hawaii, Alaska, or Canada
Additional points:
2 points if you win a prize drawing at a library on the west coast
3 if you win a prize drawing at a library in mountain regions
4 for midwestern area
5 for east coast
6 for Hawaii and Alaska, AND 7 total plus the 5 if library is located in Canada.
10 points automatically if you win the grand prize at a library, counts only if you receive it! 20 for Canada!!!!
Cant cajole a library to mail things? Beg them to mail at least something small, must have library name or address either on the item or envelope,box,package,etc.. and receive 5 points for trying. 5 for USA, 10 for Canada.
Thanks, Aaron
--- Katie Ester Director Shelby Township Library 51680 Van Dyke Shelby Township, MI 48316 (586) 726-2344
On 06/02/2016 10:18, Pam Withrow wrote:
Hello Everyone,
I got an email from a young man in California wanting to participate (long distance) in our Summer Reading Program. He is a member of the I Double Dog Dare You Summer Reading Challenge Contest. Does anyone have experience with this? It sounds legit, but I would like to hear from past participants.
Thank you,
Pamela Withrow, Director
Forsyth Township Public Library
180 W. Flint St.
PO Box 1328
Gwinn, MI 49841
906-346-3433
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I've also heard from this person. I made the mistake of responding to his first email, in which he didn't mention the IDDDYSRCC contest. He stated that he just wanted to participate. After telling him he couldn't join, he sent a couple more emails, each more persistent than the last, and then I didn't hear from him for quite a while. He did, however, just send another email to me again this week. I'm just ignoring him now. Caryn Caryn R. Bartone Head of Youth and Teen Services cbartone@ssldl.info Salem-South Lyon District Library 9800 Pontiac Trail South Lyon, MI 48178 Telephone: 248-437-6431 x204 Fax: 248-437-6593 www.ssldl.info <http://www.geekthelibrary.org> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 10:33 AM, Katie Ester <esterk@libcoop.net> wrote:
Hi Pam,
I thought it looked legit too. It's not, apparently. My teen librarian recognized this young man's name (Aaron Yang) immediately and said that there has been much discussion in Teen Librarian facebook groups about this "kid" and his apparent scam. One commenter on the facebook page Teen Services Underground said that they'd been getting this same letter/email since their library created a myspace page years ago. Participants in several FB groups have claimed that when told NO, the guy presenting himself as Aaron Yang presses the issue, spouts legalese, asks for the Director or a supervisor. Most recently, there was a push to report this to YALSA, who responded that it was out of their purview. He hits libraries nationwide with many, many librarians reporting in that they've gotten a letter or email from him. Many have gotten repeated attempts over a span of years.
For those who are wondering, here is the complete text of his email:
Hi, My name is Aaron Yang and I would to participate in the summer reading program for teens. Unfortunately, I live in the state of California, so I would really appreciate it if you can make an exception for me.
The main reason I want to participate is because of IDDDYSRCC USA. It is for I Double Dog Dare You Summer Reading Challenge Contest USA. It was created 2 years ago by me and my friends. We had a semi-boring summer in 2014 and I came up with the idea. We all did the dare and I came in 2nd place last summer. It was so much fun and we kept doing it every year. Basically, we google search all the libraries in the USA and email every single one.
What is IDDDYSRCC?
IDDDYSRCC is a contest, or dare, that was created by 2 middle schoolers in 2014. Now in high school, the dare has continued. The dare has been moved into a contest and there are now 5 people in it. Each year, a king and queen of IDDDYSRCC. In order to be eligible to be in the contest, members must be first initiated. There will be a test to see the ability of the member's common sense and credibility. During the contest, the contesters must outnumber the number of the libraries that the king and queen are doing. For example, if I did 5 libraries and the king did 7, I lose. These libraries must not be in California.
How does the point system/rules work?
At the beginning of the contest, each person is to keep a secret on how many libraries that person is doing. Everyone will reveal their secrets at the awards dinner and party. Each member must at least email 2 libraries in each state of USA. This year, Canada is added for more amusement. Here is the point system:
1 point if the state is on the west coast of USA, excluding California.
2 points if state is located in the mountain regions
3 for midwestern states
4 for east coast states
5 for Hawaii, Alaska, or Canada
Additional points:
2 points if you win a prize drawing at a library on the west coast
3 if you win a prize drawing at a library in mountain regions
4 for midwestern area
5 for east coast
6 for Hawaii and Alaska, AND 7 total plus the 5 if library is located in Canada.
10 points automatically if you win the grand prize at a library, counts only if you receive it! 20 for Canada!!!!
Cant cajole a library to mail things? Beg them to mail at least something small, must have library name or address either on the item or envelope,box,package,etc.. and receive 5 points for trying. 5 for USA, 10 for Canada.
Thanks, Aaron
--- Katie Ester Director Shelby Township Library 51680 Van Dyke Shelby Township, MI 48316(586) 726-2344
On 06/02/2016 10:18, Pam Withrow wrote:
Hello Everyone,
I got an email from a young man in California wanting to participate (long distance) in our Summer Reading Program. He is a member of the I Double Dog Dare You Summer Reading Challenge Contest. Does anyone have experience with this? It sounds legit, but I would like to hear from past participants.
Thank you,
Pamela Withrow, Director
Forsyth Township Public Library
180 W. Flint St.
PO Box 1328
Gwinn, MI 49841
906-346-3433
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Hi Pam, There is a discussion on the following facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/groups/407834692712782 It is down a bit. Look for a post by Joe Marcantonio. I deleted my message after reading this. We don't provide a completely virtual SRP and we're not prepared to mail or give materials to _non-residents_ who aren't able to visit the library. Hope this helps, Paul Paul McCann Dexter District Library Library Director 3255 Alpine St. Phone: 734-426-4477 Dexter, MI 48130 Fax: 734-426-1217 www.dexter.lib.mi.us On 6/2/2016 10:18 AM, Pam Withrow wrote:
Hello Everyone,
I got an email from a young man in California wanting to participate (long distance) in our Summer Reading Program. He is a member of the I Double Dog Dare You Summer Reading Challenge Contest. Does anyone have experience with this? It sounds legit, but I would like to hear from past participants.
Thank you,
Pamela Withrow, Director
Forsyth Township Public Library
180 W. Flint St.
PO Box 1328
Gwinn, MI 49841
906-346-3433
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This kid is famous. Youth librarians ask each other if they've been Aaroned yet. Andrea Cosier Manistee County Library From: michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org] On Behalf Of Pam Withrow Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 10:18 AM To: michlib-l@mcls.org Subject: [Michlib-l] Experience with IDDDYSRCC Hello Everyone, I got an email from a young man in California wanting to participate (long distance) in our Summer Reading Program. He is a member of the I Double Dog Dare You Summer Reading Challenge Contest. Does anyone have experience with this? It sounds legit, but I would like to hear from past participants. Thank you, Pamela Withrow, Director Forsyth Township Public Library 180 W. Flint St. PO Box 1328 Gwinn, MI 49841 906-346-3433
Aaron has been calling libraries across the country and asking for prize samples and to participate in programs. Rumor has it it's harmless but no one has a way to prove who he is/if he's really a teen. Personally, I would advise you to not respond. ~Cathy Lancaster Sent from my iPad On Jun 2, 2016, at 11:17 AM, Andrea <cosiera@manisteelibrary.org<mailto:cosiera@manisteelibrary.org>> wrote: This kid is famous. Youth librarians ask each other if they've been Aaroned yet. Andrea Cosier Manistee County Library From: michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org> [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org] On Behalf Of Pam Withrow Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 10:18 AM To: michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org> Subject: [Michlib-l] Experience with IDDDYSRCC Hello Everyone, I got an email from a young man in California wanting to participate (long distance) in our Summer Reading Program. He is a member of the I Double Dog Dare You Summer Reading Challenge Contest. Does anyone have experience with this? It sounds legit, but I would like to hear from past participants. Thank you, Pamela Withrow, Director Forsyth Township Public Library 180 W. Flint St. PO Box 1328 Gwinn, MI 49841 906-346-3433 _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:Michlib-l@mcls.org> http://mail2.mcls.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l
Wow! Interesting conversation. I have never heard of this in the school library world and we're really dealing with the same patrons. I'm glad I have been paying attention. What a crazy thing to be happening! and who has this much time on their hands? I just wonder if public libraries around the US are sending this person/group prizes to make it a lucrative venture??? I think I will share with my MAME colleagues and post on LM_NET. Word really needs to get out about this and the delete button taken advantage of. Klaudia Klaudia Janek, MLIS School Librarian IB Extended Essay Coordinator 248 341 5925 http://iamediacenter.blogspot.com International Academy 1020 East Square Lake Road Bloomfield Hills, MI 48304 On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Andrea <cosiera@manisteelibrary.org> wrote:
This kid is famous. Youth librarians ask each other if they’ve been Aaroned yet.
Andrea Cosier
Manistee County Library
*From:* michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org] *On Behalf Of *Pam Withrow *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 10:18 AM *To:* michlib-l@mcls.org *Subject:* [Michlib-l] Experience with IDDDYSRCC
Hello Everyone,
I got an email from a young man in California wanting to participate (long distance) in our Summer Reading Program. He is a member of the I Double Dog Dare You Summer Reading Challenge Contest. Does anyone have experience with this? It sounds legit, but I would like to hear from past participants.
Thank you,
Pamela Withrow, Director
Forsyth Township Public Library
180 W. Flint St.
PO Box 1328
Gwinn, MI 49841
906-346-3433
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I thought that email sounded very suspicious. We are a very small library and there is no way to justify sending him prizes that are intended for our children. My policy on any email asking for something, or to be added to our web page, is that it is a bulk email and they will never know what I do with it. So it goes straight into the trash. Phyllis ------ Phyllis Rickard Director North Adams Community Memorial Library (zv245) 110 E. Main St., PO Box 248 North Adams, MI 49262 517-287-4426 northadamslibrary@gmail.com http://www.northadamscml.michlibrary.org/ On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Klaudia Janek <kjanek@bloomfield.org> wrote:
Wow! Interesting conversation. I have never heard of this in the school library world and we're really dealing with the same patrons. I'm glad I have been paying attention. What a crazy thing to be happening! and who has this much time on their hands? I just wonder if public libraries around the US are sending this person/group prizes to make it a lucrative venture???
I think I will share with my MAME colleagues and post on LM_NET. Word really needs to get out about this and the delete button taken advantage of.
Klaudia
Klaudia Janek, MLIS
School Librarian
IB Extended Essay Coordinator
248 341 5925
http://iamediacenter.blogspot.com
International Academy
1020 East Square Lake Road
Bloomfield Hills, MI 48304
On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Andrea <cosiera@manisteelibrary.org> wrote:
This kid is famous. Youth librarians ask each other if they’ve been Aaroned yet.
Andrea Cosier
Manistee County Library
*From:* michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org] *On Behalf Of *Pam Withrow *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 10:18 AM *To:* michlib-l@mcls.org *Subject:* [Michlib-l] Experience with IDDDYSRCC
Hello Everyone,
I got an email from a young man in California wanting to participate (long distance) in our Summer Reading Program. He is a member of the I Double Dog Dare You Summer Reading Challenge Contest. Does anyone have experience with this? It sounds legit, but I would like to hear from past participants.
Thank you,
Pamela Withrow, Director
Forsyth Township Public Library
180 W. Flint St.
PO Box 1328
Gwinn, MI 49841
906-346-3433
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I agree, very interesting. And apparently I was Aaroned yesterday. Denise Bearre From: michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org] On Behalf Of North Adams Library Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 11:43 AM Cc: michlib-l@mcls.org Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] Experience with IDDDYSRCC I thought that email sounded very suspicious. We are a very small library and there is no way to justify sending him prizes that are intended for our children. My policy on any email asking for something, or to be added to our web page, is that it is a bulk email and they will never know what I do with it. So it goes straight into the trash. Phyllis ------ Phyllis Rickard Director North Adams Community Memorial Library (zv245) 110 E. Main St., PO Box 248 North Adams, MI 49262 517-287-4426 northadamslibrary@gmail.com <mailto:northadamslibrary@gmail.com> http://www.northadamscml.michlibrary.org/ On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Klaudia Janek <kjanek@bloomfield.org <mailto:kjanek@bloomfield.org> > wrote: Wow! Interesting conversation. I have never heard of this in the school library world and we're really dealing with the same patrons. I'm glad I have been paying attention. What a crazy thing to be happening! and who has this much time on their hands? I just wonder if public libraries around the US are sending this person/group prizes to make it a lucrative venture??? I think I will share with my MAME colleagues and post on LM_NET. Word really needs to get out about this and the delete button taken advantage of. Klaudia Klaudia Janek, MLIS School Librarian IB Extended Essay Coordinator 248 341 5925 http://iamediacenter.blogspot.com International Academy 1020 East Square Lake Road Bloomfield Hills, MI 48304 On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Andrea <cosiera@manisteelibrary.org <mailto:cosiera@manisteelibrary.org> > wrote: This kid is famous. Youth librarians ask each other if they’ve been Aaroned yet. Andrea Cosier Manistee County Library From: michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org <mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org> [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org <mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org> ] On Behalf Of Pam Withrow Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 10:18 AM To: michlib-l@mcls.org <mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org> Subject: [Michlib-l] Experience with IDDDYSRCC Hello Everyone, I got an email from a young man in California wanting to participate (long distance) in our Summer Reading Program. He is a member of the I Double Dog Dare You Summer Reading Challenge Contest. Does anyone have experience with this? It sounds legit, but I would like to hear from past participants. Thank you, Pamela Withrow, Director Forsyth Township Public Library 180 W. Flint St. PO Box 1328 Gwinn, MI 49841 906-346-3433 <tel:906-346-3433> _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@mcls.org <mailto:Michlib-l@mcls.org> http://mail2.mcls.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l International Academy <http://www.iatoday.org> www.iatoday.org <https://sites.google.com/a/bloomfield.org/logo_site/_/rsrc/1389798438861/home/emaillogo.jpg> _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@mcls.org <mailto:Michlib-l@mcls.org> http://mail2.mcls.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l
I find the whole thing kind of fascinating. I had never heard about it until this year, nor even any conversation about it - and now it seems like EVERYONE is getting these messages! I finally got "Aaroned" yesterday. I don't plan to respond. There's been a lot of discussion about what to do on ALSC and PUBYAC listservs as well. Some people think it's wonderful that it may (or may not) be kid(s) who just want to participate and be involved with libraries; most seem to think it's scammy. I think the fact that it doesn't seem like we've heard from a single other "participant" - just Aaron Yang - is telling. Dena Moscheck Children's Department Head Lapeer District Library ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise Bearre" <deniseb@alcona.lib.mi.us> To: "North Adams Library" <northadamslibrary@gmail.com> Cc: michlib-l@mcls.org Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2016 11:44:31 AM Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] Experience with IDDDYSRCC I agree, very interesting. And apparently I was Aaroned yesterday. Denise Bearre From: michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org] On Behalf Of North Adams Library Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 11:43 AM Cc: michlib-l@mcls.org Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] Experience with IDDDYSRCC I thought that email sounded very suspicious. We are a very small library and there is no way to justify sending him prizes that are intended for our children. My policy on any email asking for something, or to be added to our web page, is that it is a bulk email and they will never know what I do with it. So it goes straight into the trash. Phyllis ------ Phyllis Rickard Director North Adams Community Memorial Library (zv245) 110 E. Main St., PO Box 248 North Adams, MI 49262 517-287-4426 northadamslibrary@gmail.com http://www.northadamscml.michlibrary.org/ On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Klaudia Janek < kjanek@bloomfield.org > wrote: Wow! Interesting conversation. I have never heard of this in the school library world and we're really dealing with the same patrons. I'm glad I have been paying attention. What a crazy thing to be happening! and who has this much time on their hands? I just wonder if public libraries around the US are sending this person/group prizes to make it a lucrative venture??? I think I will share with my MAME colleagues and post on LM_NET. Word really needs to get out about this and the delete button taken advantage of. Klaudia Klaudia Janek, MLIS School Librarian IB Extended Essay Coordinator 248 341 5925 http://iamediacenter.blogspot.com International Academy 1020 East Square Lake Road Bloomfield Hills, MI 48304 On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Andrea < cosiera@manisteelibrary.org > wrote: <blockquote> This kid is famous. Youth librarians ask each other if they’ve been Aaroned yet. Andrea Cosier Manistee County Library From: michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org [mailto: michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org ] On Behalf Of Pam Withrow Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 10:18 AM To: michlib-l@mcls.org Subject: [Michlib-l] Experience with IDDDYSRCC Hello Everyone, I got an email from a young man in California wanting to participate (long distance) in our Summer Reading Program. He is a member of the I Double Dog Dare You Summer Reading Challenge Contest. Does anyone have experience with this? It sounds legit, but I would like to hear from past participants. Thank you, Pamela Withrow, Director Forsyth Township Public Library 180 W. Flint St. PO Box 1328 Gwinn, MI 49841 906-346-3433 _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@mcls.org http://mail2.mcls.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l International Academy www.iatoday.org _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@mcls.org http://mail2.mcls.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l </blockquote> _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@mcls.org http://mail2.mcls.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l
His letter in the link below sounds like it could be legit, but the comments paint a different picture. https://www.facebook.com/groups/ALAthinkTANK/permalink/1083169125089240/ Eric Hayes Network & Systems Administrator Orion Township Public Library orionlibrary.org<http://www.orionlibrary.org/> w. 248-287-8019 c. 248-885-2301 From: michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org] On Behalf Of Dena Moscheck Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 11:53 AM To: michlib-l@mcls.org Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] Experience with IDDDYSRCC I find the whole thing kind of fascinating. I had never heard about it until this year, nor even any conversation about it - and now it seems like EVERYONE is getting these messages! I finally got "Aaroned" yesterday. I don't plan to respond. There's been a lot of discussion about what to do on ALSC and PUBYAC listservs as well. Some people think it's wonderful that it may (or may not) be kid(s) who just want to participate and be involved with libraries; most seem to think it's scammy. I think the fact that it doesn't seem like we've heard from a single other "participant" - just Aaron Yang - is telling. Dena Moscheck Children's Department Head Lapeer District Library ________________________________ From: "Denise Bearre" <deniseb@alcona.lib.mi.us<mailto:deniseb@alcona.lib.mi.us>> To: "North Adams Library" <northadamslibrary@gmail.com<mailto:northadamslibrary@gmail.com>> Cc: michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org> Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2016 11:44:31 AM Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] Experience with IDDDYSRCC I agree, very interesting. And apparently I was Aaroned yesterday. Denise Bearre From: michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org> [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org] On Behalf Of North Adams Library Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 11:43 AM Cc: michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org> Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] Experience with IDDDYSRCC I thought that email sounded very suspicious. We are a very small library and there is no way to justify sending him prizes that are intended for our children. My policy on any email asking for something, or to be added to our web page, is that it is a bulk email and they will never know what I do with it. So it goes straight into the trash. Phyllis ------ Phyllis Rickard Director North Adams Community Memorial Library (zv245) 110 E. Main St., PO Box 248 North Adams, MI 49262 517-287-4426 northadamslibrary@gmail.com<mailto:northadamslibrary@gmail.com> http://www.northadamscml.michlibrary.org/ On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Klaudia Janek <kjanek@bloomfield.org<mailto:kjanek@bloomfield.org>> wrote: Wow! Interesting conversation. I have never heard of this in the school library world and we're really dealing with the same patrons. I'm glad I have been paying attention. What a crazy thing to be happening! and who has this much time on their hands? I just wonder if public libraries around the US are sending this person/group prizes to make it a lucrative venture??? I think I will share with my MAME colleagues and post on LM_NET. Word really needs to get out about this and the delete button taken advantage of. Klaudia Klaudia Janek, MLIS School Librarian IB Extended Essay Coordinator 248 341 5925 http://iamediacenter.blogspot.com International Academy 1020 East Square Lake Road Bloomfield Hills, MI 48304 On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Andrea <cosiera@manisteelibrary.org<mailto:cosiera@manisteelibrary.org>> wrote: This kid is famous. Youth librarians ask each other if they’ve been Aaroned yet. Andrea Cosier Manistee County Library From: michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org> [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org>] On Behalf Of Pam Withrow Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 10:18 AM To: michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org> Subject: [Michlib-l] Experience with IDDDYSRCC Hello Everyone, I got an email from a young man in California wanting to participate (long distance) in our Summer Reading Program. He is a member of the I Double Dog Dare You Summer Reading Challenge Contest. Does anyone have experience with this? It sounds legit, but I would like to hear from past participants. Thank you, Pamela Withrow, Director Forsyth Township Public Library 180 W. Flint St. PO Box 1328 Gwinn, MI 49841 906-346-3433<tel:906-346-3433> _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:Michlib-l@mcls.org> http://mail2.mcls.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l International Academy www.iatoday.org<http://www.iatoday.org> [https://sites.google.com/a/bloomfield.org/logo_site/_/rsrc/1389798438861/hom...] _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:Michlib-l@mcls.org> http://mail2.mcls.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:Michlib-l@mcls.org> http://mail2.mcls.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l
I have also received more than one contact email from him through our library website and have ignored them. This shouts scam to me. Diane Greiner, Director Croton Township Library 8260 S. Croton-Hardy Drive Newaygo, MI 49337 31-652-1615 On Thursday, June 2, 2016, Eric Hayes <ehayes@orionlibrary.org> wrote:
His letter in the link below sounds like it could be legit, but the comments paint a different picture.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/ALAthinkTANK/permalink/1083169125089240/
Eric Hayes
Network & Systems Administrator
Orion Township Public Library
orionlibrary.org <http://www.orionlibrary.org/>
w. 248-287-8019
c. 248-885-2301
*From:* michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org');> [mailto: michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org');>] *On Behalf Of *Dena Moscheck *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 11:53 AM *To:* michlib-l@mcls.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','michlib-l@mcls.org');> *Subject:* Re: [Michlib-l] Experience with IDDDYSRCC
I find the whole thing kind of fascinating. I had never heard about it until this year, nor even any conversation about it - and now it seems like EVERYONE is getting these messages! I finally got "Aaroned" yesterday. I don't plan to respond.
There's been a lot of discussion about what to do on ALSC and PUBYAC listservs as well. Some people think it's wonderful that it may (or may not) be kid(s) who just want to participate and be involved with libraries; most seem to think it's scammy. I think the fact that it doesn't seem like we've heard from a single other "participant" - just Aaron Yang - is telling.
*Dena Moscheck *
Children's Department Head
Lapeer District Library
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*From: *"Denise Bearre" <deniseb@alcona.lib.mi.us <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','deniseb@alcona.lib.mi.us');>> *To: *"North Adams Library" <northadamslibrary@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','northadamslibrary@gmail.com');>> *Cc: *michlib-l@mcls.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','michlib-l@mcls.org');> *Sent: *Thursday, June 2, 2016 11:44:31 AM *Subject: *Re: [Michlib-l] Experience with IDDDYSRCC
I agree, very interesting. And apparently I was Aaroned yesterday.
Denise Bearre
*From:* michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org');> [ mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org');>] *On Behalf Of *North Adams Library *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 11:43 AM *Cc:* michlib-l@mcls.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','michlib-l@mcls.org');> *Subject:* Re: [Michlib-l] Experience with IDDDYSRCC
I thought that email sounded very suspicious. We are a very small library and there is no way to justify sending him prizes that are intended for our children. My policy on any email asking for something, or to be added to our web page, is that it is a bulk email and they will never know what I do with it. So it goes straight into the trash.
Phyllis
------ Phyllis Rickard Director North Adams Community Memorial Library (zv245) 110 E. Main St., PO Box 248 North Adams, MI 49262 517-287-4426 northadamslibrary@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','northadamslibrary@gmail.com');> http://www.northadamscml.michlibrary.org/
On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Klaudia Janek <kjanek@bloomfield.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kjanek@bloomfield.org');>> wrote:
Wow! Interesting conversation. I have never heard of this in the school library world and we're really dealing with the same patrons. I'm glad I have been paying attention. What a crazy thing to be happening! and who has this much time on their hands? I just wonder if public libraries around the US are sending this person/group prizes to make it a lucrative venture???
I think I will share with my MAME colleagues and post on LM_NET. Word really needs to get out about this and the delete button taken advantage of.
Klaudia
Klaudia Janek, MLIS
School Librarian
IB Extended Essay Coordinator
248 341 5925
http://iamediacenter.blogspot.com
International Academy
1020 East Square Lake Road
Bloomfield Hills, MI 48304
On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Andrea <cosiera@manisteelibrary.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cosiera@manisteelibrary.org');>> wrote:
This kid is famous. Youth librarians ask each other if they’ve been Aaroned yet.
Andrea Cosier
Manistee County Library
*From:* michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org');> [mailto: michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org');>] *On Behalf Of *Pam Withrow *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 10:18 AM *To:* michlib-l@mcls.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','michlib-l@mcls.org');> *Subject:* [Michlib-l] Experience with IDDDYSRCC
Hello Everyone,
I got an email from a young man in California wanting to participate (long distance) in our Summer Reading Program. He is a member of the I Double Dog Dare You Summer Reading Challenge Contest. Does anyone have experience with this? It sounds legit, but I would like to hear from past participants.
Thank you,
Pamela Withrow, Director
Forsyth Township Public Library
180 W. Flint St.
PO Box 1328
Gwinn, MI 49841
906-346-3433
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-- Diane Greiner, Director Croton Township Library 231-652-1615
FYI.... from PUBYAC today: Hello, everyone: I wanted to put everyone at ease and let you know that Aaron Yang is indeed a real person as I have known him since he was about eight or nine years old. Aaron is definitely an avid reader and he likes to participate in any, or all, library programs he can. However, he does come off rude if he is overwhelmed or doesn't get his way. Unfortunately, he was released as a Teen Advisory Board member at the Alhambra Civic Center Library because of a comment he made to me in an e-mail to which he later replied that he was sorry for what he said. As for his claims about the summer reading programs where he lives, which is where I live and work, we have never denied him access to registration and prizes, but we were strict about how many prizes he could get as supplies were limited. Since I have interacted with Aaron before when I worked at the Alhambra Civic Center Library, my advice is to stand your ground when it comes to the prizes. I would still encourage him to sign up for your reading programs, but let him know that all prizes must be picked up in person. He may to persuade you to send them to him, but, again, let him know from the get go that he has to pick up his prize in person or no prize. I totally agree with sending him a certificate of completion via email for him to print out if he needs if for school or proof that he completed the program, but if quantities of prizes are limited than you need to re-iterate that. I thought I saw on this listserv an email he sent explaining that prizes awarded competitors more points, but, offer him the suggestion that maybe he should seek out certificates of completion as big ticket winners if prizes can't be sent. I am actually kind of shocked that he threatened a lawsuit because he wasn't allowed to sign up, but, then again, that's the way he reacts when it comes to being told "no." Honestly, I would not take those statements personally or literally, which is why we shouldn't panic as he usually forgets and moves on. In fact, if it gets to that point, definitely end the conversation by re-stating the rules and he will more than likely not sign up or won't communicate with you any longer. Does that mean he won't try to contact your colleagues? I don't know, but definitely let your supervisor know that you have had this conversation with him just so everyone is on the same page. Again, I am not trying to say don't let him sign up, but firmly tell him that prizes won't be mailed to him and offer him the suggestion of a certificate of completion. I am curious to know if anyone said he could sign up (with the understanding that if he wanted a prize he would have to pick it up) if he actually signed up or completed the program? The only reason I ask is I am not sure if he is signing up for these programs because he is enthusiastic about libraries and reading or if it's about the free stuff. More than likely it's the free stuff, but I definitely think each library has the right to say "no" or "yes." Going back to the conversation of a national summer reading program, it's a great idea, but aren't we already doing that by offering summer reading programs throughout the country? The differences between our programs are the rules and rewards so is it a matter of streamlining our programs where the rules and rewards are the same where kids and can teens can sign up for as many summer reading programs and get prizes albeit the same prize? I am definitely interested in exploring this idea, but we shouldn't have to re-invent the wheel since we already offering programs right now. On that note, try not to let Aaron get under your skin, but remember to be kind and stand your ground. He's a good kid, but he doesn't understand boundaries and tends to cross those boundaries to the point where you get frustrated. Try and have patience, but it's also okay to say "no." Good luck and have a fantastic summer! ~Deborah Deborah Takahashi Librarian Pasadena Public Library Linda Vista Branch|1281 Bryant Street Pasadena, CA 91103 (626) 744-7278 Santa Catalina Branch|999 E. Washington Blvd, Pasadena, CA 91104 (626) 744-7272 dtakahashi@cityofpasadena.net Thanks, Erin *Erin Durrett* | Information Services Librarian Novi Public Library | 45255 West 10 Mile Road | Novi, MI 48375 T: 248-869-7285 F: 248-869-7239 www.novilibrary.org *Inform. Inspire. Include.* On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Eric Hayes <ehayes@orionlibrary.org> wrote:
His letter in the link below sounds like it could be legit, but the comments paint a different picture.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/ALAthinkTANK/permalink/1083169125089240/
Eric Hayes
Network & Systems Administrator
Orion Township Public Library
orionlibrary.org <http://www.orionlibrary.org/>
w. 248-287-8019
c. 248-885-2301
*From:* michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org] *On Behalf Of *Dena Moscheck *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 11:53 AM *To:* michlib-l@mcls.org
*Subject:* Re: [Michlib-l] Experience with IDDDYSRCC
I find the whole thing kind of fascinating. I had never heard about it until this year, nor even any conversation about it - and now it seems like EVERYONE is getting these messages! I finally got "Aaroned" yesterday. I don't plan to respond.
There's been a lot of discussion about what to do on ALSC and PUBYAC listservs as well. Some people think it's wonderful that it may (or may not) be kid(s) who just want to participate and be involved with libraries; most seem to think it's scammy. I think the fact that it doesn't seem like we've heard from a single other "participant" - just Aaron Yang - is telling.
*Dena Moscheck *
Children's Department Head
Lapeer District Library
------------------------------
*From: *"Denise Bearre" <deniseb@alcona.lib.mi.us> *To: *"North Adams Library" <northadamslibrary@gmail.com> *Cc: *michlib-l@mcls.org *Sent: *Thursday, June 2, 2016 11:44:31 AM *Subject: *Re: [Michlib-l] Experience with IDDDYSRCC
I agree, very interesting. And apparently I was Aaroned yesterday.
Denise Bearre
*From:* michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org <michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org>] *On Behalf Of *North Adams Library *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 11:43 AM *Cc:* michlib-l@mcls.org *Subject:* Re: [Michlib-l] Experience with IDDDYSRCC
I thought that email sounded very suspicious. We are a very small library and there is no way to justify sending him prizes that are intended for our children. My policy on any email asking for something, or to be added to our web page, is that it is a bulk email and they will never know what I do with it. So it goes straight into the trash.
Phyllis
------ Phyllis Rickard Director North Adams Community Memorial Library (zv245) 110 E. Main St., PO Box 248 North Adams, MI 49262 517-287-4426 northadamslibrary@gmail.com http://www.northadamscml.michlibrary.org/
On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Klaudia Janek <kjanek@bloomfield.org> wrote:
Wow! Interesting conversation. I have never heard of this in the school library world and we're really dealing with the same patrons. I'm glad I have been paying attention. What a crazy thing to be happening! and who has this much time on their hands? I just wonder if public libraries around the US are sending this person/group prizes to make it a lucrative venture???
I think I will share with my MAME colleagues and post on LM_NET. Word really needs to get out about this and the delete button taken advantage of.
Klaudia
Klaudia Janek, MLIS
School Librarian
IB Extended Essay Coordinator
248 341 5925
http://iamediacenter.blogspot.com
International Academy
1020 East Square Lake Road
Bloomfield Hills, MI 48304
On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Andrea <cosiera@manisteelibrary.org> wrote:
This kid is famous. Youth librarians ask each other if they’ve been Aaroned yet.
Andrea Cosier
Manistee County Library
*From:* michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org] *On Behalf Of *Pam Withrow *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 10:18 AM *To:* michlib-l@mcls.org *Subject:* [Michlib-l] Experience with IDDDYSRCC
Hello Everyone,
I got an email from a young man in California wanting to participate (long distance) in our Summer Reading Program. He is a member of the I Double Dog Dare You Summer Reading Challenge Contest. Does anyone have experience with this? It sounds legit, but I would like to hear from past participants.
Thank you,
Pamela Withrow, Director
Forsyth Township Public Library
180 W. Flint St.
PO Box 1328
Gwinn, MI 49841
906-346-3433
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This has been debated on Pubyac for some time. Here are some interesting responses: 1.Barb Langridge <bookandahug@gmail.com> So...this young fellow and his friends are really enjoying reaching out to libraries across the USA? Reaching out to us? And ALA and ALSC haven't invited them to make this a national campaign? To lead others to the books? Maybe I am missing something here but this sounds like what we dream about. Kids who are thinking about the library..not only their library but other libraries. Kids who WANT to do the summer reading program. It sounds like it's out of the box because maybe we aren't used to having people from other states wanting to do our summer reading program...but what is the cost..not just literally...or better yet...what is the fear? Don't we have a theme that most of us use across the country? This year it's On Your Mark Get Set Read.... if you go to the library at the beach in Maryland or you drive the other way and go out to the mountains...all the libraries are proudly waving the same banner... How amazing it would be to have kids energized around connecting their summer reading with kids in other states..... they would be making reading important and fun and exciting and part of their summer. Sounds like a plan! Isn't that what we want them to be doing? It sounds as though we feel we are being used in a part of a scam...could it be that we don't recognize kids who are excited about our summer reading program? What if kids from all over the country could connect to our summer reading programs? Collect summer reading program badges? They could say, I finished the program in Oregon and California and New Jersey? We might need a good piece of software to send them back a badge when it's completed...we might need a librarian to sign off that they did the reading.... but imagine the publicity...imagine how powerful this could be toward creating a national culture of reading...imagine how exciting it would be to have readers in different states competing against each other to finish reading a whole string of books............ I wonder? Barb 2. The problem is that Mr. Yang and his "friends" are assigning point values as to how they participate in each program and they get "more points" per his description if they get physical prizes mailed to them from libraries across the country. To which I replied to him that our local funders that provide the prizes for our Summer Program would NOT be happy to learn that the funds they provided in good faith to go to our kids here in town are going out to some kid in California. Now, if it were just badges and a national summer reading online program, I would love that. Elaine Betting, M.L.I.S. Youth Services and Outreach Librarian Supervisor Lorain Public Library System 351 W. 6th St. Lorain, Ohio 44052 440-244-1192 x 243 ebetting@lpls.info 3. But if that is really the case then, 1. Why has he not said this until now? This isn't the first year that he has done this, and from what others have said, he has gotten extremely rude about it. If this were true, why, at any point in the past two years, did he not say, this is what I and my friends are doing? 2. If it's not just him, why haven't we seen other names pop up? He is all over PUBYAC, the YALSA listservs, Teen Services Underground on Facebook, ALA Think Tank on Facebook... if there were actually other kids doing this, it wouldn't just be his name every time. There hasn't been a single shred of evidence that there are more kids than just him doing it. 3. He stated that California libraries are off-limits, yet he has contacted libraries in California. So which is it? 4. He has contacted libraries during their winter programs, whether they actually had a winter reading program or not, to try to get free stuff. If this is only a summer thing, why is he doing that? If it's not just a summer thing, why didn't he say so in his spiel? 5. For that matter, why does his story keep changing? He's told some people that he used to live in their area (lie), and he's told others that his library doesn't have a summer reading program (another lie). At this point, he doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt. Here's one last thing to address your question of why not let kids in other states join. My library isn't big. We don't have a large budget. We have to make do with what we have. This means our community is ALWAYS going to come FIRST. Our budget comes from our taxpayers, so they are our priority. It is a waste of money and staff time (which also equals money) to start sending prizes (which in many cases wouldn't even be applicable to someone out of state) to someone out of state. He has a library. That library has a summer reading program. The summer reading program is already nationwide. In practically any community, you can go to the library during the summer and join. How does that not promote a national culture of reading? Trying to join hundreds, maybe thousands, of programs in other states isn't a love of reading. It's greed. No one is stopping him from reading. No one is stopping him from joining his own library's summer reading club. He wants stuff. Getting stuff isn't, and shouldn't be, the point. Heather Botelho Youth Services Librarian Flower Mound Public Library 972.874.6157 4.Candace Ryan <thisiscandaceryan@gmail.com> It's been fascinating to observe the spectrum of reaction to one young man's (first?) attempts to connect with a world outside of his home and school life. He has tired, "ire-d," but, also, inspired a number of librarians across the country. He's definitely tapped in to something! I believe that how we respond to Aaron says a lot more about us than it does about him. I've followed this thread (and the one on Facebook) with extra interest, because of my "locality" to Aaron geographically, and perhaps, also, socially. I know what it feels like to reach out to librarians (and others) in unconventional, "out-of-the-box" ways, only to have my efforts fall disappointingly short of my vision. Of course, I acknowledge that Aaron has not used the most skillful means possible in conveying his SRC vision. It is never appropriate or acceptable to lie, deceive, or threaten lawsuits for failing to fulfill SRC prizes, but perhaps this young man deserves the benefit of doubt. Could he have a developmental delay, for which proper social etiquette, let alone far more challenging "Netiquette," is beyond his ability to completely grasp? Could he benefit from gentle correction that there are more skillful (and, thus, more successful) means available to him when reaching out to others-- that he needs to build trust and confidence in those he reaches out to (especially repeatedly)? A simple Google search will reveal that Aaron appears to be engaged with libraries throughout the San Gabriel Valley, where Alhambra is located, just outside of the greater Los Angeles area. One link shows that he participated in an in-person Teen Advisory Board meeting at the Monrovia Library. Another link shows an excerpt from a book report he wrote on THE MAZE RUNNER at the Pasadena Public Library (where thread participant Annmarie works). Yet another link shows that he liked a "Game Design" class on the Altadena Library's Teen Services Facebook page. Again, I do not know Aaron personally, but it appears that he is a real teen from the little research I did, which makes me all the more concerned that both his home and email addresses would have been shared on this listserv without his or his parents' permission. For whatever Aaron's social transgressions, he does not deserve that kind of exposure to unknown vulnerabilities in this day and age. I applaud those, especially Barb Langridge (as the first), to point to the positives and possibiliities of Aaron's message. Here is a young man trying to connect with the world in maybe the only way he knows how, in maybe the best way he knows how. His bridge to the world may be through a library. For better or worse, that makes librarians his gatekeepers. Will you let him pass? Will you give him "a pass?" To borrow a phrase from Aaron, I "double-dog dare you" to! Candace 5.Looks like Aaron is trending! I don't know how many of you are on the Storytime Underground on Facebook. They are discussing Aaron right now. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=687055329584&set=gm.1136049293112932&type=3&theater If the link doesn't work, let me know, and I'll try to paste in the conversation. Lin Look YOUTH SERVICES LIBRARIAN • CONTRA COSTA COUNTY LIBRARY <http://ccclib.org/
• • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • ORINDA LIBRARY | 26 Orinda Way | Orinda, CA 94563 llook@ccclib.org<mailto:llook@ccclib.org> |925-254-2184 | Follow us on facebook | pinterest| twitter <https://twitter.com/contracostalib> 6. Hi Barb, Candace, everyone: Here are some thoughts on Barb's wonderful ideas: 1 and 2. Email a certificate, book mark or something to the participant. Email name address phone to the participant's library. Would it be possible to have a YouTube Channel where all the library's could upload a video, at the end of the summer reading program, that congratulates all of that library's out of state participants? 3. We use Google Docs for a review form that our middle/high school students have to fill out for each book they read. The readers can give a book 1 to 5 stars. Then they have to write at least one sentence about why or why not they would recommend this book to their friends. It can be reached by anyone with internet access. 4. Goal: to get 6th through 12th graders in our town interested in competing in other states, using the same books that they read for our summer reading club. Call it the National Summer Reading Club. The more states and the more books they read, they could win a National Prize. Perhaps a trip to ALA? And, the books that they're reading could generate a National Summer Reading List of the top 10 books for grades 6-12 5. I love the badge idea! South Windsor has a town seal. Is that something every town has? Perhaps the badge could incorporate a town or state seal. 6. We have over 100 6th-12th grade volunteers every summer. This would be something they can easily do. Anyone else? Oh, and we should ask our teens what they think would be interesting to them! Sandy Sandy Westbrook, Children's Librarian South Windsor Public Library South Windsor, CT 06074 860-644-5404 sandyw@libraryconnection.info This thread was over 21 messages long, so I picked the 6 I thought were most interesting. On a personal note, I think we should do more to encourage kids to participate in multiple reading programs. I love the response about creating a National Summer Reading program. I understand most libraries don't have the budget to send prizes to these individuals and we often feel overextended already, but it takes very little time to send them an e-mail certificate/bookmark. Thanks, Erin *Erin Durrett* | Information Services Librarian Novi Public Library | 45255 West 10 Mile Road | Novi, MI 48375 T: 248-869-7285 F: 248-869-7239 www.novilibrary.org *Inform. Inspire. Include.* On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Klaudia Janek <kjanek@bloomfield.org> wrote:
Wow! Interesting conversation. I have never heard of this in the school library world and we're really dealing with the same patrons. I'm glad I have been paying attention. What a crazy thing to be happening! and who has this much time on their hands? I just wonder if public libraries around the US are sending this person/group prizes to make it a lucrative venture???
I think I will share with my MAME colleagues and post on LM_NET. Word really needs to get out about this and the delete button taken advantage of.
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On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Andrea <cosiera@manisteelibrary.org> wrote:
This kid is famous. Youth librarians ask each other if they’ve been Aaroned yet.
Andrea Cosier
Manistee County Library
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Hello Everyone,
I got an email from a young man in California wanting to participate (long distance) in our Summer Reading Program. He is a member of the I Double Dog Dare You Summer Reading Challenge Contest. Does anyone have experience with this? It sounds legit, but I would like to hear from past participants.
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If this “I double dog dare you summer reading challenge contest” were a legitimate national contest, wouldn’t there be a corresponding web site so that teens, librarians, and teachers could find more information? All I found after a quick google search was a Border’s (defunct) program from 2010. Questions in my mind include: who sponsors this? And what and where are the official rules? Without answers I’m highly suspect… From: michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org] On Behalf Of Erin Durrett Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 11:57 AM Cc: michlib-l@mcls.org Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] Experience with IDDDYSRCC This has been debated on Pubyac for some time. Here are some interesting responses: 1.Barb Langridge <bookandahug@gmail.com<mailto:bookandahug@gmail.com>> So...this young fellow and his friends are really enjoying reaching out to libraries across the USA? Reaching out to us? And ALA and ALSC haven't invited them to make this a national campaign? To lead others to the books? Maybe I am missing something here but this sounds like what we dream about. Kids who are thinking about the library..not only their library but other libraries. Kids who WANT to do the summer reading program. It sounds like it's out of the box because maybe we aren't used to having people from other states wanting to do our summer reading program...but what is the cost..not just literally...or better yet...what is the fear? Don't we have a theme that most of us use across the country? This year it's On Your Mark Get Set Read.... if you go to the library at the beach in Maryland or you drive the other way and go out to the mountains...all the libraries are proudly waving the same banner... How amazing it would be to have kids energized around connecting their summer reading with kids in other states..... they would be making reading important and fun and exciting and part of their summer. Sounds like a plan! Isn't that what we want them to be doing? It sounds as though we feel we are being used in a part of a scam...could it be that we don't recognize kids who are excited about our summer reading program? What if kids from all over the country could connect to our summer reading programs? Collect summer reading program badges? They could say, I finished the program in Oregon and California and New Jersey? We might need a good piece of software to send them back a badge when it's completed...we might need a librarian to sign off that they did the reading.... but imagine the publicity...imagine how powerful this could be toward creating a national culture of reading...imagine how exciting it would be to have readers in different states competing against each other to finish reading a whole string of books............ I wonder? Barb 2. The problem is that Mr. Yang and his "friends" are assigning point values as to how they participate in each program and they get "more points" per his description if they get physical prizes mailed to them from libraries across the country. To which I replied to him that our local funders that provide the prizes for our Summer Program would NOT be happy to learn that the funds they provided in good faith to go to our kids here in town are going out to some kid in California. Now, if it were just badges and a national summer reading online program, I would love that. Elaine Betting, M.L.I.S. Youth Services and Outreach Librarian Supervisor Lorain Public Library System 351 W. 6th St. Lorain, Ohio 44052 440-244-1192 x 243<tel:440-244-1192%20x%20243> ebetting@lpls.info<mailto:ebetting@lpls.info> 3. But if that is really the case then, 1. Why has he not said this until now? This isn't the first year that he has done this, and from what others have said, he has gotten extremely rude about it. If this were true, why, at any point in the past two years, did he not say, this is what I and my friends are doing? 2. If it's not just him, why haven't we seen other names pop up? He is all over PUBYAC, the YALSA listservs, Teen Services Underground on Facebook, ALA Think Tank on Facebook... if there were actually other kids doing this, it wouldn't just be his name every time. There hasn't been a single shred of evidence that there are more kids than just him doing it. 3. He stated that California libraries are off-limits, yet he has contacted libraries in California. So which is it? 4. He has contacted libraries during their winter programs, whether they actually had a winter reading program or not, to try to get free stuff. If this is only a summer thing, why is he doing that? If it's not just a summer thing, why didn't he say so in his spiel? 5. For that matter, why does his story keep changing? He's told some people that he used to live in their area (lie), and he's told others that his library doesn't have a summer reading program (another lie). At this point, he doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt. Here's one last thing to address your question of why not let kids in other states join. My library isn't big. We don't have a large budget. We have to make do with what we have. This means our community is ALWAYS going to come FIRST. Our budget comes from our taxpayers, so they are our priority. It is a waste of money and staff time (which also equals money) to start sending prizes (which in many cases wouldn't even be applicable to someone out of state) to someone out of state. He has a library. That library has a summer reading program. The summer reading program is already nationwide. In practically any community, you can go to the library during the summer and join. How does that not promote a national culture of reading? Trying to join hundreds, maybe thousands, of programs in other states isn't a love of reading. It's greed. No one is stopping him from reading. No one is stopping him from joining his own library's summer reading club. He wants stuff. Getting stuff isn't, and shouldn't be, the point. Heather Botelho Youth Services Librarian Flower Mound Public Library 972.874.6157<tel:972.874.6157> 4.Candace Ryan <thisiscandaceryan@gmail.com<mailto:thisiscandaceryan@gmail.com>> It's been fascinating to observe the spectrum of reaction to one young man's (first?) attempts to connect with a world outside of his home and school life. He has tired, "ire-d," but, also, inspired a number of librarians across the country. He's definitely tapped in to something! I believe that how we respond to Aaron says a lot more about us than it does about him. I've followed this thread (and the one on Facebook) with extra interest, because of my "locality" to Aaron geographically, and perhaps, also, socially. I know what it feels like to reach out to librarians (and others) in unconventional, "out-of-the-box" ways, only to have my efforts fall disappointingly short of my vision. Of course, I acknowledge that Aaron has not used the most skillful means possible in conveying his SRC vision. It is never appropriate or acceptable to lie, deceive, or threaten lawsuits for failing to fulfill [https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif]SRC prizes, but perhaps this young man deserves the benefit of doubt. Could he have a developmental delay, for which proper social etiquette, let alone far more challenging "Netiquette," is beyond his ability to completely grasp? Could he benefit from gentle correction that there are more skillful (and, thus, more successful) means available to him when reaching out to others-- that he needs to build trust and confidence in those he reaches out to (especially repeatedly)? A simple Google search will reveal that Aaron appears to be engaged with libraries throughout the San Gabriel Valley, where Alhambra is located, just outside of the greater Los Angeles area. One link shows that he participated in an in-person Teen Advisory Board meeting at the Monrovia Library. Another link shows an excerpt from a book report he wrote on THE MAZE RUNNER at the Pasadena Public Library (where thread participant Annmarie works). Yet another link shows that he liked a "Game Design" class on the Altadena Library's Teen Services Facebook page. Again, I do not know Aaron personally, but it appears that he is a real teen from the little research I did, which makes me all the more concerned that both his home and email addresses would have been shared on this listserv without his or his parents' permission. For whatever Aaron's social transgressions, he does not deserve that kind of exposure to unknown vulnerabilities in this day and age. I applaud those, especially Barb Langridge (as the first), to point to the positives and possibiliities of Aaron's message. Here is a young man trying to connect with the world in maybe the only way he knows how, in maybe the best way he knows how. His bridge to the world may be through a library. For better or worse, that makes librarians his gatekeepers. Will you let him pass? Will you give him "a pass?" To borrow a phrase from Aaron, I "double-dog dare you" to! Candace 5.Looks like Aaron is trending! I don't know how many of you are on the Storytime Underground on Facebook. They are discussing Aaron right now. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=687055329584&set=gm.1136049293112932&type=3&theater If the link doesn't work, let me know, and I'll try to paste in the conversation. Lin Look YOUTH SERVICES LIBRARIAN • CONTRA COSTA COUNTY LIBRARY <http://ccclib.org/> • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • ORINDA LIBRARY | 26 Orinda Way | Orinda, CA 94563 llook@ccclib.org<mailto:llook@ccclib.org><mailto:llook@ccclib.org<mailto:llook@ccclib.org>> |925-254-2184<tel:925-254-2184> | Follow us on facebook | pinterest| twitter <https://twitter.com/contracostalib> 6. Hi Barb, Candace, everyone: Here are some thoughts on Barb's wonderful ideas: 1 and 2. Email a certificate, book mark or something to the participant. Email name address phone to the participant's library. Would it be possible to have a YouTube Channel where all the library's could upload a video, at the end of the summer reading program, that congratulates all of that library's out of state participants? 3. We use Google Docs for a review form that our middle/high school students have to fill out for each book they read. The readers can give a book 1 to 5 stars. Then they have to write at least one sentence about why or why not they would recommend this book to their friends. It can be reached by anyone with internet access. 4. Goal: to get 6th through 12th graders in our town interested in competing in other states, using the same books that they read for our summer reading club. Call it the National Summer Reading Club. The more states and the more books they read, they could win a National Prize. Perhaps a trip to ALA? And, the books that they're reading could generate a National Summer Reading List of the top 10 books for grades 6-12 5. I love the badge idea! South Windsor has a town seal. Is that something every town has? Perhaps the badge could incorporate a town or state seal. 6. We have over 100 6th-12th grade volunteers every summer. This would be something they can easily do. Anyone else? Oh, and we should ask our teens what they think would be interesting to them! Sandy Sandy Westbrook, Children's Librarian South Windsor Public Library South Windsor, CT 06074 860-644-5404<tel:860-644-5404> sandyw@libraryconnection.info<mailto:sandyw@libraryconnection.info> This thread was over 21 messages long, so I picked the 6 I thought were most interesting. On a personal note, I think we should do more to encourage kids to participate in multiple reading programs. I love the response about creating a National Summer Reading program. I understand most libraries don't have the budget to send prizes to these individuals and we often feel overextended already, but it takes very little time to send them an e-mail certificate/bookmark. Thanks, Erin Erin Durrett | Information Services Librarian Novi Public Library | 45255 West 10 Mile Road | Novi, MI 48375 T: 248-869-7285<tel:248-869-7285> F: 248-869-7239<tel:248-869-7239> www.novilibrary.org<http://www.novilibrary.org/> Inform. Inspire. Include. On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Klaudia Janek <kjanek@bloomfield.org<mailto:kjanek@bloomfield.org>> wrote: Wow! Interesting conversation. I have never heard of this in the school library world and we're really dealing with the same patrons. I'm glad I have been paying attention. What a crazy thing to be happening! and who has this much time on their hands? I just wonder if public libraries around the US are sending this person/group prizes to make it a lucrative venture??? I think I will share with my MAME colleagues and post on LM_NET. Word really needs to get out about this and the delete button taken advantage of. Klaudia Klaudia Janek, MLIS School Librarian IB Extended Essay Coordinator 248 341 5925<tel:248%20341%205925> http://iamediacenter.blogspot.com International Academy 1020 East Square Lake Road Bloomfield Hills, MI 48304 On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Andrea <cosiera@manisteelibrary.org<mailto:cosiera@manisteelibrary.org>> wrote: This kid is famous. Youth librarians ask each other if they’ve been Aaroned yet. Andrea Cosier Manistee County Library From: michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org> [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org>] On Behalf Of Pam Withrow Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 10:18 AM To: michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org> Subject: [Michlib-l] Experience with IDDDYSRCC Hello Everyone, I got an email from a young man in California wanting to participate (long distance) in our Summer Reading Program. He is a member of the I Double Dog Dare You Summer Reading Challenge Contest. Does anyone have experience with this? It sounds legit, but I would like to hear from past participants. Thank you, Pamela Withrow, Director Forsyth Township Public Library 180 W. Flint St. PO Box 1328 Gwinn, MI 49841 906-346-3433<tel:906-346-3433> _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:Michlib-l@mcls.org> http://mail2.mcls.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l International Academy www.iatoday.org<http://www.iatoday.org> [https://sites.google.com/a/bloomfield.org/logo_site/_/rsrc/1389798438861/hom...] _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:Michlib-l@mcls.org> http://mail2.mcls.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l
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