pajamas in the library
Hello all, How do you address the issue of adults wearing their pjs to the library? Not for a special program, they just are out and about in their pjs. I searched online this weekend for policies dealing with this, but found nothing. If you have a policy that addresses this issue, I would appreciate hearing from you. Thank you! Phyllis ------ Phyllis Rickard Director North Adams Community Memorial Library 110 E. Main St., PO Box 248 North Adams, MI 49262 517-287-4426 northadamslibrary@gmail.com http://www.northadamscml.michlibrary.org/
This is one of my pet peeves. I would like to hear see something on this also. Lois Hartman Watervliet District Library On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:51 PM, North Adams Library <northadamslibrary@gmail.com> wrote: Hello all, How do you address the issue of adults wearing their pjs to the library? Not for a special program, they just are out and about in their pjs. I searched online this weekend for policies dealing with this, but found nothing. If you have a policy that addresses this issue, I would appreciate hearing from you. Thank you! Phyllis ------ Phyllis Rickard Director North Adams Community Memorial Library 110 E. Main St., PO Box 248 North Adams, MI 49262 517-287-4426 northadamslibrary@gmail.com http://www.northadamscml.michlibrary.org/ _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@lists.mcls.org http://lists.mlcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l
I’ve seen a lot worse come into our library then pjs. As long as they’re wearing a shirt and have shoes on we put up with it. Kay Hurd Director Almont District Library 213 W. St. Clair, PO Box 517 Almont, MI 48003 (810)798-3100 voice (810)798-2208 fax khurd@adlmi.org On Nov 20, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Lois Hartman <lrhartman8@yahoo.com> wrote:
This is one of my pet peeves. I would like to hear see something on this also.
Lois Hartman Watervliet District Library
On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:51 PM, North Adams Library <northadamslibrary@gmail.com> wrote: Hello all,
How do you address the issue of adults wearing their pjs to the library? Not for a special program, they just are out and about in their pjs. I searched online this weekend for policies dealing with this, but found nothing.
If you have a policy that addresses this issue, I would appreciate hearing from you.
Thank you!
Phyllis
------ Phyllis Rickard Director North Adams Community Memorial Library 110 E. Main St., PO Box 248 North Adams, MI 49262 517-287-4426 northadamslibrary@gmail.com http://www.northadamscml.michlibrary.org/
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Hey, I have an idea, you know how they have a "People of Walmart" website.... Michael Evans Community Outreach Coordinator Hastings Public Library 227 E State St Hastings, MI 49058 269-945-4263 From: michlib-l-bounces@mail.mcls.org [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mail.mcls.org] On Behalf Of Kay Hurd Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:03 PM To: Lois Hartman Cc: michlib-l (michlib-l@lists.mcls.org) Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] pajamas in the library I've seen a lot worse come into our library then pjs. As long as they're wearing a shirt and have shoes on we put up with it. Kay Hurd Director Almont District Library 213 W. St. Clair, PO Box 517 Almont, MI 48003 (810)798-3100 voice (810)798-2208 fax khurd@adlmi.org<mailto:khurd@adlmi.org> On Nov 20, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Lois Hartman <lrhartman8@yahoo.com<mailto:lrhartman8@yahoo.com>> wrote: This is one of my pet peeves. I would like to hear see something on this also. Lois Hartman Watervliet District Library On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:51 PM, North Adams Library <northadamslibrary@gmail.com<mailto:northadamslibrary@gmail.com>> wrote: Hello all, How do you address the issue of adults wearing their pjs to the library? Not for a special program, they just are out and about in their pjs. I searched online this weekend for policies dealing with this, but found nothing. If you have a policy that addresses this issue, I would appreciate hearing from you. Thank you! Phyllis ------ Phyllis Rickard Director North Adams Community Memorial Library 110 E. Main St., PO Box 248 North Adams, MI 49262 517-287-4426 northadamslibrary@gmail.com<mailto:northadamslibrary@gmail.com> http://www.northadamscml.michlibrary.org/ _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@lists.mcls.org<mailto:Michlib-l@lists.mcls.org> http://lists.mlcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@lists.mcls.org<mailto:Michlib-l@lists.mcls.org> http://lists.mlcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l
Do you also tell young men they can't wear their jeans around their knees? What about girls in yoga pants/leggings? Then there's the grandma in a miniskirt.... Point is, there's no accounting for taste, but a public building is not a fine dining establishment. I f these people are not embarrassed to go out in public in their pajamas, it may be a sign of the downfall of society, but does it really effect staff's ability to give good public service? ------------------ Donna Winter, Automation Services Librarian Livonia Civic Center Library 32777 Five Mile Road Livonia, MI 48154 ph: 734-466-2675 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Evans" <mevans@hastingspubliclibrary.com> To: "Kay Hurd" <khurd@adlmi.org>, "Lois Hartman" <lrhartman8@yahoo.com> Cc: "michlib-l (michlib-l@lists.mcls.org)" <michlib-l@mail.mcls.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 2:10:17 PM Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] pajamas in the library Hey, I have an idea, you know how they have a “People of Walmart” website…. Michael Evans Community Outreach Coordinator Hastings Public Library 227 E State St Hastings, MI 49058 269-945-4263 From: michlib-l-bounces@mail.mcls.org [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mail.mcls.org] On Behalf Of Kay Hurd Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:03 PM To: Lois Hartman Cc: michlib-l (michlib-l@lists.mcls.org) Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] pajamas in the library I’ve seen a lot worse come into our library then pjs. As long as they’re wearing a shirt and have shoes on we put up with it. Kay Hurd Director Almont District Library 213 W. St. Clair, PO Box 517 Almont, MI 48003 (810)798-3100 voice (810)798-2208 fax khurd@adlmi.org On Nov 20, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Lois Hartman < lrhartman8@yahoo.com > wrote: This is one of my pet peeves. I would like to hear see something on this also. Lois Hartman Watervliet District Library On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:51 PM, North Adams Library < northadamslibrary@gmail.com > wrote: Hello all, How do you address the issue of adults wearing their pjs to the library? Not for a special program, they just are out and about in their pjs. I searched online this weekend for policies dealing with this, but found nothing. If you have a policy that addresses this issue, I would appreciate hearing from you. Thank you! Phyllis ------ Phyllis Rickard Director North Adams Community Memorial Library 110 E. Main St., PO Box 248 North Adams, MI 49262 517-287-4426 northadamslibrary@gmail.com http://www.northadamscml.michlibrary.org/ _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@lists.mcls.org http://lists.mlcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@lists.mcls.org http://lists.mlcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@lists.mcls.org http://lists.mlcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l
Good points, Donna! Melissa Armstrong Librarian Caro Area District Library 989-673-4329 ext. 107 melissa@carolibrary.org From: michlib-l-bounces@mail.mcls.org [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mail.mcls.org] On Behalf Of Donna Winter Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 2:22 PM To: Mike Evans Cc: michlib-l (michlib-l@lists.mcls.org) Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] pajamas in the library Do you also tell young men they can't wear their jeans around their knees? What about girls in yoga pants/leggings? Then there's the grandma in a miniskirt.... Point is, there's no accounting for taste, but a public building is not a fine dining establishment. If these people are not embarrassed to go out in public in their pajamas, it may be a sign of the downfall of society, but does it really effect staff's ability to give good public service? ------------------ Donna Winter, Automation Services Librarian Livonia Civic Center Library 32777 Five Mile Road Livonia, MI 48154 ph: 734-466-2675 _____ From: "Mike Evans" <mevans@hastingspubliclibrary.com> To: "Kay Hurd" <khurd@adlmi.org>, "Lois Hartman" <lrhartman8@yahoo.com> Cc: "michlib-l (michlib-l@lists.mcls.org)" <michlib-l@mail.mcls.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 2:10:17 PM Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] pajamas in the library Hey, I have an idea, you know how they have a “People of Walmart” website…. Michael Evans Community Outreach Coordinator Hastings Public Library 227 E State St Hastings, MI 49058 269-945-4263 From: michlib-l-bounces@mail.mcls.org [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mail.mcls.org] On Behalf Of Kay Hurd Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:03 PM To: Lois Hartman Cc: michlib-l (michlib-l@lists.mcls.org) Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] pajamas in the library I’ve seen a lot worse come into our library then pjs. As long as they’re wearing a shirt and have shoes on we put up with it. Kay Hurd Director Almont District Library 213 W. St. Clair, PO Box 517 Almont, MI 48003 (810)798-3100 voice (810)798-2208 fax khurd@adlmi.org On Nov 20, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Lois Hartman <lrhartman8@yahoo.com> wrote: This is one of my pet peeves. I would like to hear see something on this also. Lois Hartman Watervliet District Library On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:51 PM, North Adams Library <northadamslibrary@gmail.com> wrote: Hello all, How do you address the issue of adults wearing their pjs to the library? Not for a special program, they just are out and about in their pjs. I searched online this weekend for policies dealing with this, but found nothing. If you have a policy that addresses this issue, I would appreciate hearing from you. Thank you! Phyllis ------ Phyllis Rickard Director North Adams Community Memorial Library 110 E. Main St., PO Box 248 North Adams, MI 49262 517-287-4426 northadamslibrary@gmail.com http://www.northadamscml.michlibrary.org/ _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@lists.mcls.org http://lists.mlcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@lists.mcls.org http://lists.mlcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@lists.mcls.org http://lists.mlcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l
Donna and Kimberly pretty much covered it. Colleen McWhinnie Adult Paraprofessional Farmington Community Library 32737 West Twelve Mile Road Farmington Hills, MI 48334 (248) 848-4317 Colleen.McWhinnie@farmlib.org ________________________________ From: michlib-l-bounces@mail.mcls.org [michlib-l-bounces@mail.mcls.org] On Behalf Of Melissa Armstrong [melissa@carolibrary.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 2:47 PM To: 'Donna Winter '; 'Mike Evans' Cc: 'michlib-l (michlib-l@lists.mcls.org)' Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] pajamas in the library Good points, Donna! Melissa Armstrong Librarian Caro Area District Library 989-673-4329 ext. 107 melissa@carolibrary.org From: michlib-l-bounces@mail.mcls.org [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mail.mcls.org] On Behalf Of Donna Winter Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 2:22 PM To: Mike Evans Cc: michlib-l (michlib-l@lists.mcls.org) Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] pajamas in the library Do you also tell young men they can't wear their jeans around their knees? What about girls in yoga pants/leggings? Then there's the grandma in a miniskirt.... Point is, there's no accounting for taste, but a public building is not a fine dining establishment. If these people are not embarrassed to go out in public in their pajamas, it may be a sign of the downfall of society, but does it really effect staff's ability to give good public service? ------------------ Donna Winter, Automation Services Librarian Livonia Civic Center Library 32777 Five Mile Road Livonia, MI 48154 ph: 734-466-2675 ________________________________ From: "Mike Evans" <mevans@hastingspubliclibrary.com<mailto:mevans@hastingspubliclibrary.com>> To: "Kay Hurd" <khurd@adlmi.org<mailto:khurd@adlmi.org>>, "Lois Hartman" <lrhartman8@yahoo.com<mailto:lrhartman8@yahoo.com>> Cc: "michlib-l (michlib-l@lists.mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@lists.mcls.org>)" <michlib-l@mail.mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@mail.mcls.org>> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 2:10:17 PM Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] pajamas in the library Hey, I have an idea, you know how they have a “People of Walmart” website…. Michael Evans Community Outreach Coordinator Hastings Public Library 227 E State St Hastings, MI 49058 269-945-4263 From: michlib-l-bounces@mail.mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mail.mcls.org> [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mail.mcls.org] On Behalf Of Kay Hurd Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:03 PM To: Lois Hartman Cc: michlib-l (michlib-l@lists.mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@lists.mcls.org>) Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] pajamas in the library I’ve seen a lot worse come into our library then pjs. As long as they’re wearing a shirt and have shoes on we put up with it. Kay Hurd Director Almont District Library 213 W. St. Clair, PO Box 517 Almont, MI 48003 (810)798-3100 voice (810)798-2208 fax khurd@adlmi.org<mailto:khurd@adlmi.org> On Nov 20, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Lois Hartman <lrhartman8@yahoo.com<mailto:lrhartman8@yahoo.com>> wrote: This is one of my pet peeves. I would like to hear see something on this also. Lois Hartman Watervliet District Library On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:51 PM, North Adams Library <northadamslibrary@gmail.com<mailto:northadamslibrary@gmail.com>> wrote: Hello all, How do you address the issue of adults wearing their pjs to the library? Not for a special program, they just are out and about in their pjs. I searched online this weekend for policies dealing with this, but found nothing. If you have a policy that addresses this issue, I would appreciate hearing from you. Thank you! Phyllis ------ Phyllis Rickard Director North Adams Community Memorial Library 110 E. Main St., PO Box 248 North Adams, MI 49262 517-287-4426 northadamslibrary@gmail.com<mailto:northadamslibrary@gmail.com> http://www.northadamscml.michlibrary.org/ _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@lists.mcls.org<mailto:Michlib-l@lists.mcls.org> http://lists.mlcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@lists.mcls.org<mailto:Michlib-l@lists.mcls.org> http://lists.mlcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@lists.mcls.org<mailto:Michlib-l@lists.mcls.org> http://lists.mlcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l
Should we focus on the pajama pants, or be happy they are using the library instead of going elsewhere? Cathleen Russ, Library Director Troy Public Library 510 W. Big Beaver Road Troy, MI 48084 248.524.3544 C.Russ@troymi.gov<mailto:C.Russ@troymi.gov> From: michlib-l-bounces@mail.mcls.org [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mail.mcls.org] On Behalf Of Donna Winter Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 2:22 PM To: Mike Evans Cc: michlib-l (michlib-l@lists.mcls.org) Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] pajamas in the library Do you also tell young men they can't wear their jeans around their knees? What about girls in yoga pants/leggings? Then there's the grandma in a miniskirt.... Point is, there's no accounting for taste, but a public building is not a fine dining establishment. If these people are not embarrassed to go out in public in their pajamas, it may be a sign of the downfall of society, but does it really effect staff's ability to give good public service? ------------------ Donna Winter, Automation Services Librarian Livonia Civic Center Library 32777 Five Mile Road Livonia, MI 48154 ph: 734-466-2675 ________________________________ From: "Mike Evans" <mevans@hastingspubliclibrary.com<mailto:mevans@hastingspubliclibrary.com>> To: "Kay Hurd" <khurd@adlmi.org<mailto:khurd@adlmi.org>>, "Lois Hartman" <lrhartman8@yahoo.com<mailto:lrhartman8@yahoo.com>> Cc: "michlib-l (michlib-l@lists.mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@lists.mcls.org>)" <michlib-l@mail.mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@mail.mcls.org>> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 2:10:17 PM Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] pajamas in the library Hey, I have an idea, you know how they have a “People of Walmart” website…. Michael Evans Community Outreach Coordinator Hastings Public Library 227 E State St Hastings, MI 49058 269-945-4263 From: michlib-l-bounces@mail.mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mail.mcls.org> [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mail.mcls.org] On Behalf Of Kay Hurd Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:03 PM To: Lois Hartman Cc: michlib-l (michlib-l@lists.mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@lists.mcls.org>) Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] pajamas in the library I’ve seen a lot worse come into our library then pjs. As long as they’re wearing a shirt and have shoes on we put up with it. Kay Hurd Director Almont District Library 213 W. St. Clair, PO Box 517 Almont, MI 48003 (810)798-3100 voice (810)798-2208 fax khurd@adlmi.org<mailto:khurd@adlmi.org> On Nov 20, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Lois Hartman <lrhartman8@yahoo.com<mailto:lrhartman8@yahoo.com>> wrote: This is one of my pet peeves. I would like to hear see something on this also. Lois Hartman Watervliet District Library On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:51 PM, North Adams Library <northadamslibrary@gmail.com<mailto:northadamslibrary@gmail.com>> wrote: Hello all, How do you address the issue of adults wearing their pjs to the library? Not for a special program, they just are out and about in their pjs. I searched online this weekend for policies dealing with this, but found nothing. If you have a policy that addresses this issue, I would appreciate hearing from you. Thank you! Phyllis ------ Phyllis Rickard Director North Adams Community Memorial Library 110 E. Main St., PO Box 248 North Adams, MI 49262 517-287-4426 northadamslibrary@gmail.com<mailto:northadamslibrary@gmail.com> http://www.northadamscml.michlibrary.org/ _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@lists.mcls.org<mailto:Michlib-l@lists.mcls.org> http://lists.mlcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@lists.mcls.org<mailto:Michlib-l@lists.mcls.org> http://lists.mlcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@lists.mcls.org<mailto:Michlib-l@lists.mcls.org> http://lists.mlcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l
Very well-stated, Cathy. Best, Don Donald E. Worrell, Jr., Director Mount Clemens Public Library 150 Cass Avenue Mount Clemens, MI 48043 586.469.6662 dworrell2@comcast.net "Spero optimus, instruo pro pessimus." ----- Original Message ----- From: Cathleen A Russ <C.Russ@troymi.gov> To: Donna Winter <dwinter@livonia.lib.mi.us>, Mike Evans <mevans@hastingspubliclibrary.com> Cc: michlib-l (michlib-l@lists.mcls.org) <michlib-l@mail.mcls.org> Sent: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 23:06:59 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] pajamas in the library Should we focus on the pajama pants, or be happy they are using the library instead of going elsewhere? Cathleen Russ, Library Director Troy Public Library 510 W. Big Beaver Road Troy, MI 48084 248.524.3544 C.Russ@troymi.gov<mailto:C.Russ@troymi.gov> From: michlib-l-bounces@mail.mcls.org [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mail.mcls.org] On Behalf Of Donna Winter Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 2:22 PM To: Mike Evans Cc: michlib-l (michlib-l@lists.mcls.org) Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] pajamas in the library Do you also tell young men they can't wear their jeans around their knees? What about girls in yoga pants/leggings? Then there's the grandma in a miniskirt.... Point is, there's no accounting for taste, but a public building is not a fine dining establishment. If these people are not embarrassed to go out in public in their pajamas, it may be a sign of the downfall of society, but does it really effect staff's ability to give good public service? ------------------ Donna Winter, Automation Services Librarian Livonia Civic Center Library 32777 Five Mile Road Livonia, MI 48154 ph: 734-466-2675 ________________________________ From: "Mike Evans" <mevans@hastingspubliclibrary.com<mailto:mevans@hastingspubliclibrary.com>> To: "Kay Hurd" <khurd@adlmi.org<mailto:khurd@adlmi.org>>, "Lois Hartman" <lrhartman8@yahoo.com<mailto:lrhartman8@yahoo.com>> Cc: "michlib-l (michlib-l@lists.mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@lists.mcls.org>)" <michlib-l@mail.mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@mail.mcls.org>> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 2:10:17 PM Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] pajamas in the library Hey, I have an idea, you know how they have a “People of Walmart” website…. Michael Evans Community Outreach Coordinator Hastings Public Library 227 E State St Hastings, MI 49058 269-945-4263 From: michlib-l-bounces@mail.mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mail.mcls.org> [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mail.mcls.org] On Behalf Of Kay Hurd Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:03 PM To: Lois Hartman Cc: michlib-l (michlib-l@lists.mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@lists.mcls.org>) Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] pajamas in the library I’ve seen a lot worse come into our library then pjs. As long as they’re wearing a shirt and have shoes on we put up with it. Kay Hurd Director Almont District Library 213 W. St. Clair, PO Box 517 Almont, MI 48003 (810)798-3100 voice (810)798-2208 fax khurd@adlmi.org<mailto:khurd@adlmi.org> On Nov 20, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Lois Hartman <lrhartman8@yahoo.com<mailto:lrhartman8@yahoo.com>> wrote: This is one of my pet peeves. I would like to hear see something on this also. Lois Hartman Watervliet District Library On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:51 PM, North Adams Library <northadamslibrary@gmail.com<mailto:northadamslibrary@gmail.com>> wrote: Hello all, How do you address the issue of adults wearing their pjs to the library? Not for a special program, they just are out and about in their pjs. I searched online this weekend for policies dealing with this, but found nothing. If you have a policy that addresses this issue, I would appreciate hearing from you. Thank you! Phyllis ------ Phyllis Rickard Director North Adams Community Memorial Library 110 E. Main St., PO Box 248 North Adams, MI 49262 517-287-4426 northadamslibrary@gmail.com<mailto:northadamslibrary@gmail.com> http://www.northadamscml.michlibrary.org/ _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@lists.mcls.org<mailto:Michlib-l@lists.mcls.org> http://lists.mlcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@lists.mcls.org<mailto:Michlib-l@lists.mcls.org> http://lists.mlcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@lists.mcls.org<mailto:Michlib-l@lists.mcls.org> http://lists.mlcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l
While I agree that being subjected to a grown woman's fuzzy Tinkerbell pj pants is extremely annoying, unless your local authorities have some kind of official ban on this kind of thing that would back up a policy, I doubt you can do much about it. If the pjs hit on one of the limitations to the First Amendment (obscenity, for example) or violates a law (nudity, for example) then that would back you up. Once you make a policy determining what people can or can't wear, it's a slippery slope of subjective interpretation that could crack open a whole slew of complaints from staff and patrons. Who determines exactly what constitutes pajamas? What about sweatpants? What about workout clothes? Banning leggings worn as pants would be perfectly fine with me, for example, but the difference between yoga pants and leggings can be very subtle. Also, who can wear the pjs and who can't? We give babies a free pass, but what about children? What about a very mature 10 year old girl? What about elderly women wearing a flimsy moo-moo in the summer? Or men wearing extremely tight bike shorts? Underwear and bras hang out everyday, and underwear is worse than pajamas, right? While it is unfortunate that we must endure the sight of all this and more; I don't know if there's a clear cut policy solution to the social annoyance of fashion faux pas. Kimberly Schaaf Reference and Adult Services Librarian Springfield Twp. Library 12000 Davisburg Rd. Davisburg MI, 48350 248-846-6550 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Hartman" <lrhartman8@yahoo.com> To: "North Adams Library" <northadamslibrary@gmail.com>, "michlib-l (michlib-l@lists.mcls.org)" <michlib-l@mail.mcls.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:58:11 PM Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] pajamas in the library This is one of my pet peeves. I would like to hear see something on this also. Lois Hartman Watervliet District Library On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:51 PM, North Adams Library <northadamslibrary@gmail.com> wrote: Hello all, How do you address the issue of adults wearing their pjs to the library? Not for a special program, they just are out and about in their pjs. I searched online this weekend for policies dealing with this, but found nothing. If you have a policy that addresses this issue, I would appreciate hearing from you. Thank you! Phyllis ------ Phyllis Rickard Director North Adams Community Memorial Library 110 E. Main St., PO Box 248 North Adams, MI 49262 517-287-4426 northadamslibrary@gmail.com http://www.northadamscml.michlibrary.org/ _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@lists.mcls.org http://lists.mlcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@lists.mcls.org http://lists.mlcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l --
Check out this new title: Dressing Constitutionally: Hierarchy, Sexuality, and Democracy from Our Hairstyles to Our Shoes by Ruthann Robso<http://www.amazon.com/Dressing-Constitutionally-Hierarchy-Sexuality-Hairstyles/dp/0521140048/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1384974630&sr=8-1&keywords=dressing+constitutionally> Heard a great interview on the Diane Rehm show. Ruthann Robson: "Dressing Constitutionally" http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2013-08-20/ruthann-robson-dressing-constit... Tuesday, August 20, 2013 - 11:06 a.m. Diana Hiles Mott Library On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Kimberly Schaaf < kschaaf@springfield.lib.mi.us> wrote:
While I agree that being subjected to a grown woman's fuzzy Tinkerbell pj pants is extremely annoying, unless your local authorities have some kind of official ban on this kind of thing that would back up a policy, I doubt you can do much about it. If the pjs hit on one of the limitations to the First Amendment (obscenity, for example) or violates a law (nudity, for example) then that would back you up.
Once you make a policy determining what people can or can't wear, it's a slippery slope of subjective interpretation that could crack open a whole slew of complaints from staff and patrons. Who determines exactly what constitutes pajamas? What about sweatpants? What about workout clothes? Banning leggings worn as pants would be perfectly fine with me, for example, but the difference between yoga pants and leggings can be very subtle. Also, who can wear the pjs and who can't? We give babies a free pass, but what about children? What about a very mature 10 year old girl? What about elderly women wearing a flimsy moo-moo in the summer? Or men wearing extremely tight bike shorts? Underwear and bras hang out everyday, and underwear is worse than pajamas, right? While it is unfortunate that we must endure the sight of all this and more; I don't know if there's a clear cut policy solution to the social annoyance of fashion faux pas.
Kimberly Schaaf Reference and Adult Services Librarian Springfield Twp. Library 12000 Davisburg Rd. Davisburg MI, 48350 248-846-6550
----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Hartman" <lrhartman8@yahoo.com> To: "North Adams Library" <northadamslibrary@gmail.com>, "michlib-l ( michlib-l@lists.mcls.org)" <michlib-l@mail.mcls.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:58:11 PM Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] pajamas in the library
This is one of my pet peeves. I would like to hear see something on this also.
Lois Hartman Watervliet District Library
On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:51 PM, North Adams Library < northadamslibrary@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all,
How do you address the issue of adults wearing their pjs to the library? Not for a special program, they just are out and about in their pjs. I searched online this weekend for policies dealing with this, but found nothing.
If you have a policy that addresses this issue, I would appreciate hearing from you.
Thank you!
Phyllis
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As long as they're wearing slippers, too, we permit PJs...(just kidding) Donald E. Worrell, Jr., Director Mount Clemens Public Library 150 Cass Avenue Mount Clemens, MI 48043 586.469.6662 dworrell2@comcast.net "Spero optimus, instruo pro pessimus." ----- Original Message ----- From: "North Adams Library" <northadamslibrary@gmail.com> To: "michlib-l (michlib-l@lists.mcls.org)" <michlib-l@mail.mcls.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:43:12 PM Subject: [Michlib-l] pajamas in the library Hello all, How do you address the issue of adults wearing their pjs to the library? Not for a special program, they just are out and about in their pjs. I searched online this weekend for policies dealing with this, but found nothing. If you have a policy that addresses this issue, I would appreciate hearing from you. Thank you! Phyllis ------ Phyllis Rickard Director North Adams Community Memorial Library 110 E. Main St., PO Box 248 North Adams, MI 49262 517-287-4426 northadamslibrary@gmail.com http://www.northadamscml.michlibrary.org/ _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@lists.mcls.org http://lists.mlcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l
I have seen it and I don't get bothered so long as everything is covered. The important thing is that they're coming to the library! I do not have time to be the fashion police and I wouldn't want to discourage my patrons from visiting the library. Dawn -- *Dawn M. Winans* *Public & Research Services Librarian Library* *Phone: 810-762-9842* *Fax: 810-762-9744* *1700 University Ave~Flint, MI, 48504 * *Kettering University* *"Believe and act as if it were impossible to fail." * *~ Charles Kettering*
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