We have had a patron request that the library provide ripping software. Other than the possibility of copyright issues, does anyone else have any experience which you are willing to share? How much staff time and supervision is involved? Any recommendations on actual software? Other concerns? -- Margaret Bentley Adult Services Librarian Shiawassee District Library--Owosso 502 W. Main Owosso, MI 48867 989-725-5134
Are we talking about ripping music (saving songs from a CD to a computer)? If so, if the computer has Windows Media Player, one is able to rip with that program once the music CD is inserted. At that point it usually saves to the "Music" or "My Music" folder, by artist. Toby Schuler Adult Services Librarian Kent District Library -----Original Message----- From: michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org] On Behalf Of Margaret Bentley Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 2:58 PM To: michlib-l@lists.mcls.org <michlib-l@mail.mcls.org> Subject: [Michlib-l] Ripping software We have had a patron request that the library provide ripping software. Other than the possibility of copyright issues, does anyone else have any experience which you are willing to share? How much staff time and supervision is involved? Any recommendations on actual software? Other concerns? -- Margaret Bentley Adult Services Librarian Shiawassee District Library--Owosso 502 W. Main Owosso, MI 48867 989-725-5134 _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@mcls.org http://mail2.mcls.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l
There are some free downloadable ripping software available online. As the other person stated, it depends on what they are trying to do. It can involve a lot of staff time and supervision depending on what they are trying to do. You could always suggest to the patron that they "google" or checkout youtube for instructions on what they are trying to "rip." Youtube is full of instructional videos for these type of things. Nannette Pretzer Director St. Charles District Library 104 W. Spruce Street St. Charles, MI 48655 www.stcharlesdistrictlibrary.org 989-865-9371 n.pretzer@vlc.lib.mi.us -----Original Message----- From: michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org] On Behalf Of Margaret Bentley Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 2:58 PM To: michlib-l@lists.mcls.org Subject: [Michlib-l] Ripping software We have had a patron request that the library provide ripping software. Other than the possibility of copyright issues, does anyone else have any experience which you are willing to share? How much staff time and supervision is involved? Any recommendations on actual software? Other concerns? -- Margaret Bentley Adult Services Librarian Shiawassee District Library--Owosso 502 W. Main Owosso, MI 48867 989-725-5134 _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@mcls.org http://mail2.mcls.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l
Wouldn't the library providing "ripping software" be in DIRECT violation of copyright? Since the library patron copying the disc did not directly purchase it, they are not entitled to make a copy of it. Would any library provide a large volume copier so patrons could copy books? Karen M. Smith Assistant Branch Librarian - Head of Children's Services Livonia Public Library 32777 Five Mile Road Livonia, Michigan 48154 734-466-2454 livonia.lib.mi.us "Are all librarians this much trouble?" ~Brendan Fraser in The Mummy Returns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nannette Pretzer" <n.pretzer@vlc.lib.mi.us> To: "Margaret Bentley" <margaret.bentley@sdl.lib.mi.us>, "michlib-l@lists.mcls.org" <michlib-l@mail.mcls.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2015 3:19:58 PM Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] Ripping software There are some free downloadable ripping software available online. As the other person stated, it depends on what they are trying to do. It can involve a lot of staff time and supervision depending on what they are trying to do. You could always suggest to the patron that they "google" or checkout youtube for instructions on what they are trying to "rip." Youtube is full of instructional videos for these type of things. Nannette Pretzer Director St. Charles District Library 104 W. Spruce Street St. Charles, MI 48655 www.stcharlesdistrictlibrary.org 989-865-9371 n.pretzer@vlc.lib.mi.us -----Original Message----- From: michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org] On Behalf Of Margaret Bentley Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 2:58 PM To: michlib-l@lists.mcls.org Subject: [Michlib-l] Ripping software We have had a patron request that the library provide ripping software. Other than the possibility of copyright issues, does anyone else have any experience which you are willing to share? How much staff time and supervision is involved? Any recommendations on actual software? Other concerns? -- Margaret Bentley Adult Services Librarian Shiawassee District Library--Owosso 502 W. Main Owosso, MI 48867 989-725-5134 _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@mcls.org http://mail2.mcls.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@mcls.org http://mail2.mcls.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l
I don't think a public institution should be providing dedicated ripping software. Providing software on your public computers that would allow transfer from one type of media to a different media or device would seem appropriate. I'm sorry to say that all of the programs I know of that can handle the transfers also allow ripping as an option. Oops. Don Bosman Information Technologist MSU Libraries 366 W. Circle Drive - Rm.W441 East Lansing, MI 48824-1048 517-884-0873 -----Original Message----- From: michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org] On Behalf Of Margaret Bentley Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 2:58 PM To: michlib-l@lists.mcls.org <michlib-l@mail.mcls.org> Subject: [Michlib-l] Ripping software We have had a patron request that the library provide ripping software. Other than the possibility of copyright issues, does anyone else have any experience which you are willing to share? How much staff time and supervision is involved? Any recommendations on actual software? Other concerns? -- Margaret Bentley Adult Services Librarian Shiawassee District Library--Owosso 502 W. Main Owosso, MI 48867 989-725-5134 _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@mcls.org http://mail2.mcls.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l
I know in your original post that you requested issues other than copyright, but really, don't you ever pay attention to the FBI warning at the beginning of DVDs? It is a blatant rip off of intellectual property (thus the software name "rip"). People deserve to be paid for their work. ------------------ Donna Winter, Automation Services Librarian Livonia Civic Center Library 32777 Five Mile Road Livonia, MI 48154 ph: 734-466-2675 ----- Original Message -----
I don't think a public institution should be providing dedicated ripping software. Providing software on your public computers that would allow transfer from one type of media to a different media or device would seem appropriate. I'm sorry to say that all of the programs I know of that can handle the transfers also allow ripping as an option. Oops.
Don Bosman Information Technologist MSU Libraries 366 W. Circle Drive - Rm.W441 East Lansing, MI 48824-1048 517-884-0873
-----Original Message----- From: michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org] On Behalf Of Margaret Bentley Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 2:58 PM To: michlib-l@lists.mcls.org <michlib-l@mail.mcls.org> Subject: [Michlib-l] Ripping software
We have had a patron request that the library provide ripping software. Other than the possibility of copyright issues, does anyone else have any experience which you are willing to share? How much staff time and supervision is involved? Any recommendations on actual software? Other concerns?
-- Margaret Bentley Adult Services Librarian Shiawassee District Library--Owosso 502 W. Main Owosso, MI 48867 989-725-5134
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I think there are some questions about the original question (format and who owns the original disc). There is music CD ripping and movie ripping. Music CDs generally don't have DRM (Digital rights management), and ripping does not involve software that circumvents that. I go through my own CD collection and rip music often with Windows Media Player (built-in software on PCs).
From what I can gather, ripping DVDs involves software that tries to circumvent DRM, and that is when it gets illegal. One site puts it well: ".. the moment a studio protects the DVD with DRM, it gains both a technical and a legal advantage—ripping is almost certainly unlawful."
The original question was about the software. I believe that PCs do not come with DVD ripping software, and it would have a steep learning curve. Basically, I would guess that anyone who is capable of such copying (which is probably illegal) probably owns a computer. Toby Schuler -----Original Message----- From: michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org] On Behalf Of Donna Winter Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 5:23 PM To: Don Bosman <dbosman@mail.lib.msu.edu> Cc: michlib-l@lists.mcls.org <michlib-l@mail.mcls.org> Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] Ripping software I know in your original post that you requested issues other than copyright, but really, don't you ever pay attention to the FBI warning at the beginning of DVDs? It is a blatant rip off of intellectual property (thus the software name "rip"). People deserve to be paid for their work. ------------------ Donna Winter, Automation Services Librarian Livonia Civic Center Library 32777 Five Mile Road Livonia, MI 48154 ph: 734-466-2675 ----- Original Message -----
I don't think a public institution should be providing dedicated ripping software. Providing software on your public computers that would allow transfer from one type of media to a different media or device would seem appropriate. I'm sorry to say that all of the programs I know of that can handle the transfers also allow ripping as an option. Oops.
Don Bosman Information Technologist MSU Libraries 366 W. Circle Drive - Rm.W441 East Lansing, MI 48824-1048 517-884-0873
-----Original Message----- From: michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org] On Behalf Of Margaret Bentley Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 2:58 PM To: michlib-l@lists.mcls.org <michlib-l@mail.mcls.org> Subject: [Michlib-l] Ripping software
We have had a patron request that the library provide ripping software. Other than the possibility of copyright issues, does anyone else have any experience which you are willing to share? How much staff time and supervision is involved? Any recommendations on actual software? Other concerns?
-- Margaret Bentley Adult Services Librarian Shiawassee District Library--Owosso 502 W. Main Owosso, MI 48867 989-725-5134
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We normally do not allow patrons to do this at the library because of copyright issues. We don't know what they are going to do with music once they get it on their computer. We have had patrons sit right here in the library ripping CD after CD, and also a few have done the same with audio books on CD. We usually ask them to do this at home or some other WIFI hot spot. Carol DeBoer Circulation Supervisor Henika District Library 149 S. Main Wayland, MI 49348 269-792-2891 waycd@henikalibrary.org ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "Bosman, Don" <dbosman@mail.lib.msu.edu> To: Margaret Bentley <margaret.bentley@sdl.lib.mi.us>, "michlib-l@lists.mcls.org" <michlib-l@mail.mcls.org> Sent: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 20:43:17 +0000 Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] Ripping software
I don't think a public institution should be providing dedicated ripping software. Providing software on your public computers that would allow transfer from one type of media to a different media or device would seem appropriate. I'm sorry to say that all of the programs I know of that can handle the transfers also allow ripping as an option. Oops.
Don Bosman Information Technologist MSU Libraries 366 W. Circle Drive - Rm.W441 East Lansing, MI 48824-1048 517-884-0873
-----Original Message----- From: michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org] On Behalf Of Margaret Bentley Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 2:58 PM To: michlib-l@lists.mcls.org <michlib-l@mail.mcls.org> Subject: [Michlib-l] Ripping software
We have had a patron request that the library provide ripping software. Other than the possibility of copyright issues, does anyone else have any experience which you are willing to share? How much staff time and supervision is involved? Any recommendations on actual software? Other concerns?
-- Margaret Bentley Adult Services Librarian Shiawassee District Library--Owosso 502 W. Main Owosso, MI 48867 989-725-5134
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