I Googled "FRICN MEDIA" (I'm assuming this stands for Freaking Media) and found their YouTube channel. This isn't a professional organization. It's a couple of Michigan citizens checking up on various government agencies. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYl7s-1p4ba4dgcAZidNFGw On their About tab: DescriptionWarning. Im controversial politically, religiously, and I'm also an Auditor. So if you're offended easily or closed minded. This is not the channel for you. Just a heads up. email vividimagetats420@gmail.com paypal.me/jswoodworks Cash app $FRICNMEDIA The world we live in! Sherry Martin On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 9:40 AM SF Director Account via Michlib-l < michlib-l@mcls.org> wrote:

Good morning,

I have never heard of this. Why is the *U.S. Constitution for Dummies* a book they would ask about? Is there a process or procedure for how libraries should act or react to this group? You mention being respectful but anything else?

Any assistance in this for me to inform my staff would very helpful.

Matt Lubbers-Moore

------------------------------ *From: *"Perri Saunders via Michlib-l" <michlib-l@mcls.org> *To: *"michlib-l" <michlib-l@mcls.org> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 11, 2022 1:28:09 PM *Subject: *[Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit

Just had our first First Amendment Audit. It went very well, actually.

I spotted them before they came in so we could gather ourselves for a minute - make sure no patron names were on screens, and the reserve shelf had no names showing, etc. Two people (man and woman) came in with cameras. I welcomed them from the circ desk as I would anyone else (maybe a *little* more enthusiastically). The man asked if we had the U.S. Constitution for Dummies and we talked about that a little.

I offered to show them around, but they just wanted to walk around and film. We only had one patron in here at the time, so when the man started that way, I just told him that he was welcome to film anywhere in the public areas as long as he didn't interfere with other patrons' enjoyment of the library.

We were respectful and, in turn, they were respectful, so it went just fine. They were here for about 15 minutes. I won't lie - it felt like longer.

I know that this man, FRICN MEDIA, has lots of 1st Amendment Audit videos on YouTube, many of which turned confrontational. We were welcoming, forthcoming, and really boring. Score!

Like Kate Andrade said, "It's not if, it's when". We might as well be prepared.

Have a great day! Perri

-- Perri Saunders, Director White Pigeon Township Library 102 N. Kalamazoo St., P.O. Box 399 White Pigeon, MI 49099 269-483-7409 *p.saunders@woodlands.lib.mi.us <p.saunders@woodlands.lib.mi.us> *

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Matt, They request that book because if library staff tries to argue with them or kick them out, the “auditor” can point out that we are ignorant of the Constitution yet have the book on our shelves. Having suffered through some of the YouTube messages, they seem to take a special delight in mentioning this. Also, they audit us done under the guise of “educating” us about individuals rights. From: Bill Wines <bwines@commercelibrary.info> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 11:51 AM To: Sherry Martin <MartinS@gpschools.org> Cc: SF Director Account <frudir@llcoop.org>; michlib-l <michlib-l@mcls.org> Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit "Members only" videos and a PayPal link. I wonder how much this jamoke makes from this scam? On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 9:54 AM Sherry Martin via Michlib-l <michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org>> wrote: I Googled "FRICN MEDIA" (I'm assuming this stands for Freaking Media) and found their YouTube channel. This isn't a professional organization. It's a couple of Michigan citizens checking up on various government agencies. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYl7s-1p4ba4dgcAZidNFGw On their About tab: DescriptionWarning. Im controversial politically, religiously, and I'm also an Auditor. So if you're offended easily or closed minded. This is not the channel for you. Just a heads up. email vividimagetats420@gmail.com<mailto:vividimagetats420@gmail.com> paypal.me/jswoodworks<http://paypal.me/jswoodworks> Cash app $FRICNMEDIA The world we live in! Sherry Martin On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 9:40 AM SF Director Account via Michlib-l <michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org>> wrote: Good morning, I have never heard of this. Why is the U.S. Constitution for Dummies a book they would ask about? Is there a process or procedure for how libraries should act or react to this group? You mention being respectful but anything else? Any assistance in this for me to inform my staff would very helpful. Matt Lubbers-Moore ________________________________ From: "Perri Saunders via Michlib-l" <michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org>> To: "michlib-l" <michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org>> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 1:28:09 PM Subject: [Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit Just had our first First Amendment Audit. It went very well, actually. I spotted them before they came in so we could gather ourselves for a minute - make sure no patron names were on screens, and the reserve shelf had no names showing, etc. Two people (man and woman) came in with cameras. I welcomed them from the circ desk as I would anyone else (maybe a little more enthusiastically). The man asked if we had the U.S. Constitution for Dummies and we talked about that a little. I offered to show them around, but they just wanted to walk around and film. We only had one patron in here at the time, so when the man started that way, I just told him that he was welcome to film anywhere in the public areas as long as he didn't interfere with other patrons' enjoyment of the library. We were respectful and, in turn, they were respectful, so it went just fine. They were here for about 15 minutes. I won't lie - it felt like longer. I know that this man, FRICN MEDIA, has lots of 1st Amendment Audit videos on YouTube, many of which turned confrontational. We were welcoming, forthcoming, and really boring. Score! Like Kate Andrade said, "It's not if, it's when". We might as well be prepared. Have a great day! Perri -- Perri Saunders, Director White Pigeon Township Library 102 N. Kalamazoo St., P.O. Box 399 White Pigeon, MI 49099 269-483-7409 p.saunders@woodlands.lib.mi.us<mailto:p.saunders@woodlands.lib.mi.us> Brighten the corner where you are. _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:Michlib-l@mcls.org> https://mail3.mcls.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l -- Matt Lubbers-Moore, Director Fruitport District Library (231) 366-6107 www.fruitportdistrictlibrary.org<http://www.fruitportdistrictlibrary.org> _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:Michlib-l@mcls.org> https://mail3.mcls.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l -- Sherry Martin, MLIS Media Specialist at Brownell and Pierce Middle Schools [Image removed by sender.] Grosse Pointe Public School System www.gpschools.org<http://www.gpschools.org/> Phone: 313-432-4117 Email: martins@gpschools.org<mailto:martins@gpschools.org> Our Mission: Cultivate Educational Excellence By: · Empowering Students · Valuing Diversity · Inspiring Curiosity · Pushing Possibilities Our Vision: One inclusive community learning together _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:Michlib-l@mcls.org> https://mail3.mcls.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l -- Bill Wines Circulation & Technical Services Manager Commerce Township Community Library 180 E. Commerce Rd. Commerce Twp., MI 48382 Ph. 248.669.8108 ext.102 Fax 248.325.5047 The information contained in this electronic message is intended only for the use of the designated recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, forwarding or copying of this message is strictly prohibited, and we request that you delete the original message and all attachments.

Thoughts you can choose to digest or ignore: Being a public institution, consent is not needed to be filmed. Being a public servant, consent is not needed to be filmed while serving the public. Being a public servant, these audits should be taken seriously, as they are (at the core) being done by concerned patrons. If you are part of a consortium, they may be your patrons even if they are not from your city or generally considered community, as you are part of a collective. These should not be something to be feared, nor fought. The money we use is paid by taxes of citizens, and it is their right to inquire about policies, how the library is governed, the collection, and if the staff is aware of the rights of citizens in their libraries. Use this as an opportunity to listen to those who (it appears) you may have a difference of opinion from, rather than an attack on the library or you/your staff. Yes, these citizens sometimes try to "catch" you being scared or intimidated, or ignorant to their rights, because when these first started years ago, many facilities were. Get ahead of the auditors and take time to understand their purpose, review if your collection needs around constitutional/governmental materials and train staff on the rights of patrons/citizens in a public space. Heck, you could even have a program on citizen rights in public and private spaces and can show the auditors that you are aware of their concerns and are addressing them. I personally would interact with an auditor, to know how the library is perceived by those who have concerns over their rights in a time when rights are being reduced by governing bodies. Why not request to sit and have a conversation with them rather than shy away? They want to be heard, same as everyone else with concerns, so, why not listen? By being negative toward them (even if it's only in internal emails), you are being negative toward an entire demographic that your library may be excluding (or ridiculing), based on perception alone, which is counterintuitive to an institution that wishes to have full community support and usage. Now, I would like to say, nothing is ever absolute, and those who had a negative experience with a hostile audit, is not the norm (as showcased in this thread and across the internet). Do not assume your auditor will be hostile, just as you wouldn't assume the intention of any other patron entering your facility. Just some thoughts from someone who's watched MANY audit videos, from across the country, and someone who can recognize that they have a right to do what they do. (If being filmed is an issue for you, as it is with me, politely request not to have your face included. Use honey, not vinegar.) Public school audits is a great question, personally, I haven't seen any done. Betty On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:05 AM Turbok, Joseph via Michlib-l < michlib-l@mcls.org> wrote:

I am not that familiar with Youtube flagging but can these videos possibly be flagged by the people within them for either harassment or lack of consent to be filmed?

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Matt,

They request that book because if library staff tries to argue with them or kick them out, the “auditor” can point out that we are ignorant of the Constitution yet have the book on our shelves. Having suffered through some of the YouTube messages, they seem to take a special delight in mentioning this. Also, they audit us done under the guise of “educating” us about individuals rights.

*From:* Bill Wines <bwines@commercelibrary.info> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 12, 2022 11:51 AM *To:* Sherry Martin <MartinS@gpschools.org> *Cc:* SF Director Account <frudir@llcoop.org>; michlib-l < michlib-l@mcls.org> *Subject:* Re: [Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit

"Members only" videos and a PayPal link. I wonder how much this jamoke makes from this scam?

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 9:54 AM Sherry Martin via Michlib-l < michlib-l@mcls.org> wrote:

I Googled "FRICN MEDIA" (I'm assuming this stands for Freaking Media) and found their YouTube channel. This isn't a professional organization. It's a couple of Michigan citizens checking up on various government agencies.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYl7s-1p4ba4dgcAZidNFGw

On their About tab:

DescriptionWarning. Im controversial politically, religiously, and I'm also an Auditor. So if you're offended easily or closed minded. This is not the channel for you. Just a heads up. email vividimagetats420@gmail.com paypal.me/jswoodworks Cash app $FRICNMEDIA

The world we live in!

Sherry Martin

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 9:40 AM SF Director Account via Michlib-l < michlib-l@mcls.org> wrote:

Good morning,

I have never heard of this. Why is the *U.S. Constitution for Dummies* a book they would ask about? Is there a process or procedure for how libraries should act or react to this group? You mention being respectful but anything else?

Any assistance in this for me to inform my staff would very helpful.

Matt Lubbers-Moore

------------------------------

*From: *"Perri Saunders via Michlib-l" <michlib-l@mcls.org> *To: *"michlib-l" <michlib-l@mcls.org> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 11, 2022 1:28:09 PM *Subject: *[Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit

Just had our first First Amendment Audit. It went very well, actually.

I spotted them before they came in so we could gather ourselves for a minute - make sure no patron names were on screens, and the reserve shelf had no names showing, etc.

Two people (man and woman) came in with cameras. I welcomed them from the circ desk as I would anyone else (maybe a *little* more enthusiastically). The man asked if we had the U.S. Constitution for Dummies and we talked about that a little.

I offered to show them around, but they just wanted to walk around and film. We only had one patron in here at the time, so when the man started that way, I just told him that he was welcome to film anywhere in the public areas as long as he didn't interfere with other patrons' enjoyment of the library.

We were respectful and, in turn, they were respectful, so it went just fine. They were here for about 15 minutes. I won't lie - it felt like longer.

I know that this man, FRICN MEDIA, has lots of 1st Amendment Audit videos on YouTube, many of which turned confrontational. We were welcoming, forthcoming, and really boring. Score!

Like Kate Andrade said, "It's not if, it's when". We might as well be prepared.

Have a great day!

Perri

--

Perri Saunders, Director

White Pigeon Township Library

102 N. Kalamazoo St., P.O. Box 399

White Pigeon, MI 49099

269-483-7409

*p.saunders@woodlands.lib.mi.us <p.saunders@woodlands.lib.mi.us> *

*Brighten the corner where you are.*

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Media Specialist at Brownell and Pierce Middle Schools

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*Grosse Pointe Public School System *

www.gpschools.org

Phone: 313-432-4117

Email: martins@gpschools.org

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· Empowering Students

· Valuing Diversity

· Inspiring Curiosity

· Pushing Possibilities

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Fax 248.325.5047

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I'm not sure legitimate concerns within this thread can be fairly whittled down to "name calling, belly aching, and misunderstanding". While our role as public servants requires a great deal of personal sacrifice and professional pride-swallowing, it is a privileged position to presume that someone pointing a camera in your face *without your permission* and refusing to explain their actions is somehow meaningless or non-threatening. These aren't middle schoolers hoping for a good chuckle, these are adult cis white males with domineering, presumptive attitudes. Those of us who've lived our whole lives, personal and professional, under such a microscope quake with reasonable fear upon sight of such arrogance as to *point a camera in someone's face with zero consent or even the barest conversation.* This isn't a "develop a thicker skin" kind of situation. This is serious business. And I don't believe it is fair for any professional within our library landscape to belittle legitimate fear-mongering. Thank you, *Toni Lea Isom (they/them/theirs)* Youth Services Librarian Assistant Adrian District Library 143 East Maumee Street Adrian MI 49221 tisom@adrian.lib.mi.us On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 1:25 PM Phillip J Kwik via Michlib-l < michlib-l@mcls.org> wrote:

Well said, Betty. Thank you for your reasoned words.

The amount of name calling, belly aching, and misunderstanding of “public” in public library on this post is outrageous for our profession.

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Thoughts you can choose to digest or ignore:

Being a public institution, consent is not needed to be filmed. Being a public servant, consent is not needed to be filmed while serving the public. Being a public servant, these audits should be taken seriously, as they are (at the core) being done by concerned patrons. If you are part of a consortium, they may be your patrons even if they are not from your city or generally considered community, as you are part of a collective. These should not be something to be feared, nor fought. The money we use is paid by taxes of citizens, and it is their right to inquire about policies, how the library is governed, the collection, and if the staff is aware of the rights of citizens in their libraries. Use this as an opportunity to listen to those who (it appears) you may have a difference of opinion from, rather than an attack on the library or you/your staff. Yes, these citizens sometimes try to "catch" you being scared or intimidated, or ignorant to their rights, because when these first started years ago, many facilities were. Get ahead of the auditors and take time to understand their purpose, review if your collection needs around constitutional/governmental materials and train staff on the rights of patrons/citizens in a public space. Heck, you could even have a program on citizen rights in public and private spaces and can show the auditors that you are aware of their concerns and are addressing them.

I personally would interact with an auditor, to know how the library is perceived by those who have concerns over their rights in a time when rights are being reduced by governing bodies. Why not request to sit and have a conversation with them rather than shy away? They want to be heard, same as everyone else with concerns, so, why not listen? By being negative toward them (even if it's only in internal emails), you are being negative toward an entire demographic that your library may be excluding (or ridiculing), based on perception alone, which is counterintuitive to an institution that wishes to have full community support and usage.

Now, I would like to say, nothing is ever absolute, and those who had a negative experience with a hostile audit, is not the norm (as showcased in this thread and across the internet). Do not assume your auditor will be hostile, just as you wouldn't assume the intention of any other patron entering your facility.

Just some thoughts from someone who's watched MANY audit videos, from across the country, and someone who can recognize that they have a right to do what they do. (If being filmed is an issue for you, as it is with me, politely request not to have your face included. Use honey, not vinegar.)

Public school audits is a great question, personally, I haven't seen any done.

Betty

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:05 AM Turbok, Joseph via Michlib-l < michlib-l@mcls.org> wrote:

I am not that familiar with Youtube flagging but can these videos possibly be flagged by the people within them for either harassment or lack of consent to be filmed?

*From:* Michlib-l [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org] *On Behalf Of *Christopher Nadeau via Michlib-l *Sent:* Friday, January 14, 2022 9:02 AM *To:* Bill Wines; Sherry Martin *Cc:* SF Director Account; michlib-l *Subject:* Re: [Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit

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Matt,

They request that book because if library staff tries to argue with them or kick them out, the “auditor” can point out that we are ignorant of the Constitution yet have the book on our shelves. Having suffered through some of the YouTube messages, they seem to take a special delight in mentioning this. Also, they audit us done under the guise of “educating” us about individuals rights.

*From:* Bill Wines <bwines@commercelibrary.info> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 12, 2022 11:51 AM *To:* Sherry Martin <MartinS@gpschools.org> *Cc:* SF Director Account <frudir@llcoop.org>; michlib-l < michlib-l@mcls.org> *Subject:* Re: [Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit

"Members only" videos and a PayPal link. I wonder how much this jamoke makes from this scam?

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 9:54 AM Sherry Martin via Michlib-l < michlib-l@mcls.org> wrote:

I Googled "FRICN MEDIA" (I'm assuming this stands for Freaking Media) and found their YouTube channel. This isn't a professional organization. It's a couple of Michigan citizens checking up on various government agencies.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYl7s-1p4ba4dgcAZidNFGw

On their About tab:

DescriptionWarning. Im controversial politically, religiously, and I'm also an Auditor. So if you're offended easily or closed minded. This is not the channel for you. Just a heads up. email vividimagetats420@gmail.com paypal.me/jswoodworks Cash app $FRICNMEDIA

The world we live in!

Sherry Martin

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 9:40 AM SF Director Account via Michlib-l < michlib-l@mcls.org> wrote:

Good morning,

I have never heard of this. Why is the *U.S. Constitution for Dummies* a book they would ask about? Is there a process or procedure for how libraries should act or react to this group? You mention being respectful but anything else?

Any assistance in this for me to inform my staff would very helpful.

Matt Lubbers-Moore

------------------------------

*From: *"Perri Saunders via Michlib-l" <michlib-l@mcls.org> *To: *"michlib-l" <michlib-l@mcls.org> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 11, 2022 1:28:09 PM *Subject: *[Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit

Just had our first First Amendment Audit. It went very well, actually.

I spotted them before they came in so we could gather ourselves for a minute - make sure no patron names were on screens, and the reserve shelf had no names showing, etc.

Two people (man and woman) came in with cameras. I welcomed them from the circ desk as I would anyone else (maybe a *little* more enthusiastically). The man asked if we had the U.S. Constitution for Dummies and we talked about that a little.

I offered to show them around, but they just wanted to walk around and film. We only had one patron in here at the time, so when the man started that way, I just told him that he was welcome to film anywhere in the public areas as long as he didn't interfere with other patrons' enjoyment of the library.

We were respectful and, in turn, they were respectful, so it went just fine. They were here for about 15 minutes. I won't lie - it felt like longer.

I know that this man, FRICN MEDIA, has lots of 1st Amendment Audit videos on YouTube, many of which turned confrontational. We were welcoming, forthcoming, and really boring. Score!

Like Kate Andrade said, "It's not if, it's when". We might as well be prepared.

Have a great day!

Perri

--

Perri Saunders, Director

White Pigeon Township Library

102 N. Kalamazoo St., P.O. Box 399

White Pigeon, MI 49099

269-483-7409

*p.saunders@woodlands.lib.mi.us <p.saunders@woodlands.lib.mi.us> *

*Brighten the corner where you are.*

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Media Specialist at Brownell and Pierce Middle Schools

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*Grosse Pointe Public School System *

www.gpschools.org

Phone: 313-432-4117

Email: martins@gpschools.org

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· Empowering Students

· Valuing Diversity

· Inspiring Curiosity

· Pushing Possibilities

*Our Vision:* One inclusive community learning together

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Fax 248.325.5047

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The Library Network

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While it’s important to handle large, disruptive groups with a level of grace, there is no harm in acknowledging that many of these people performing First Amendment Audits are doing so in ways that are meant to be disruptive and pushing the boundaries of library policies – policies that are often ignored to begin with. It’s important that libraries have all of their policies in place and that staff are aware of their policies, especially in regard to filming, but library staff aren’t obligated to pretend that the First Amendment Audits are not politically motivated by specific populations with specific values. I will also add that while many of the replies in the thread have shown that not all of the incidents have escalated, it’s still a possibility when those performing these audits don’t abide by the specific library’s policies. And, once patron behavior has exceeded the bounds described in an ideal patron behavior policy, then staff should be within their right to take measures such as verbal warnings or asking the problem patrons to leave the premises. And just because we are public libraries doesn’t mean that our libraries have to withstand large-scale disruptions by members of the public. Every public place has rules of conduct, I don’t think the issue is that staff are misunderstanding the word public, it’s that staff didn’t expect “handle aggressive patrons with video cameras” to fall under “Other Duties as Assigned” in their job descriptions. I commend all of our frontline staff, especially non-professional staff, who are the first point of contact for many of the interactions, and I hope everybody remembers that they are always people first, and no matter what happens, they are deserving of respect, inside and outside of their workplace. Miranda Cauchi (they/them) Adult Librarian [ https://www.wayne.lib.mi.us/ | Wayne Public Library ] 3737 S. Wayne Rd, Wayne, MI 48184 mcauchi@wayne.lib.mi.us [ callto:734-721-7832 | 734-721-7832 ] (ext. 705) From: "michlib-l" <michlib-l@mcls.org> To: "Betty Adams" <badams@inksterlibrary.org>, "michlib-l" <michlib-l@mcls.org> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 1:25:08 PM Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit Well said, Betty. Thank you for your reasoned words. The amount of name calling, belly aching, and misunderstanding of “public” in public library on this post is outrageous for our profession. 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Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Thoughts you can choose to digest or ignore: Being a public institution, consent is not needed to be filmed. Being a public servant, consent is not needed to be filmed while serving the public. Being a public servant, these audits should be taken seriously, as they are (at the core) being done by concerned patrons. If you are part of a consortium, they may be your patrons even if they are not from your city or generally considered community, as you are part of a collective. These should not be something to be feared, nor fought. The money we use is paid by taxes of citizens, and it is their right to inquire about policies, how the library is governed, the collection, and if the staff is aware of the rights of citizens in their libraries. Use this as an opportunity to listen to those who (it appears) you may have a difference of opinion from, rather than an attack on the library or you/your staff. Yes, these citizens sometimes try to "catch" you being scared or intimidated, or ignorant to their rights, because when these first started years ago, many facilities were. Get ahead of the auditors and take time to understand their purpose, review if your collection needs around constitutional/governmental materials and train staff on the rights of patrons/citizens in a public space. Heck, you could even have a program on citizen rights in public and private spaces and can show the auditors that you are aware of their concerns and are addressing them. I personally would interact with an auditor, to know how the library is perceived by those who have concerns over their rights in a time when rights are being reduced by governing bodies. Why not request to sit and have a conversation with them rather than shy away? They want to be heard, same as everyone else with concerns, so, why not listen? By being negative toward them (even if it's only in internal emails), you are being negative toward an entire demographic that your library may be excluding (or ridiculing), based on perception alone, which is counterintuitive to an institution that wishes to have full community support and usage. Now, I would like to say, nothing is ever absolute, and those who had a negative experience with a hostile audit, is not the norm (as showcased in this thread and across the internet). Do not assume your auditor will be hostile, just as you wouldn't assume the intention of any other patron entering your facility. Just some thoughts from someone who's watched MANY audit videos, from across the country, and someone who can recognize that they have a right to do what they do. (If being filmed is an issue for you, as it is with me, politely request not to have your face included. Use honey, not vinegar.) Public school audits is a great question, personally, I haven't seen any done. Betty On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:05 AM Turbok, Joseph via Michlib-l < [ mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org | michlib-l@mcls.org ] > wrote: I am not that familiar with Youtube flagging but can these videos possibly be flagged by the people within them for either harassment or lack of consent to be filmed? From: Michlib-l [mailto: [ mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org | michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org ] ] On Behalf Of Christopher Nadeau via Michlib-l Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 9:02 AM To: Bill Wines; Sherry Martin Cc: SF Director Account; michlib-l Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit EMAIL ORIGIN EXTERNAL: Use proper judgment and caution when opening attachments, clicking links, or responding to this email. Matt, They request that book because if library staff tries to argue with them or kick them out, the “auditor” can point out that we are ignorant of the Constitution yet have the book on our shelves. Having suffered through some of the YouTube messages, they seem to take a special delight in mentioning this. Also, they audit us done under the guise of “educating” us about individuals rights. From: Bill Wines < [ mailto:bwines@commercelibrary.info | bwines@commercelibrary.info ] > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 11:51 AM To: Sherry Martin < [ mailto:MartinS@gpschools.org | MartinS@gpschools.org ] > Cc: SF Director Account < [ mailto:frudir@llcoop.org | frudir@llcoop.org ] >; michlib-l < [ mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org | michlib-l@mcls.org ] > Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit "Members only" videos and a PayPal link. I wonder how much this jamoke makes from this scam? On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 9:54 AM Sherry Martin via Michlib-l < [ mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org | michlib-l@mcls.org ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN I Googled " FRICN MEDIA" (I'm assuming this stands for Freaking Media) and found their YouTube channel. This isn't a professional organization. It's a couple of Michigan citizens checking up on various government agencies. [ https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_channel_UCYl7s-2D1p4ba4dgcAZidNFGw&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=YGsu6pQk2nQCE_TaHIHyuwOSOv0Sc08sqK_MktVumeM&m=U2m0P6hIlnGvzqEAQzk_XyZInM8s7rcPEJTWJpFZs-A&s=N20LHf8UOhvPDmfcK-dj21CmToZJzqdSNR3FAJrrKds&e= ] [ https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_channel_UCYl7s-2D1p4ba4dgcAZidNFGw&d=DwQGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=YGsu6pQk2nQCE_TaHIHyuwOSOv0Sc08sqK_MktVumeM&m=U2m0P6hIlnGvzqEAQzk_XyZInM8s7rcPEJTWJpFZs-A&s=N20LHf8UOhvPDmfcK-dj21CmToZJzqdSNR3FAJrrKds&e= | https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYl7s-1p4ba4dgcAZidNFGw ] On their About tab: DescriptionWarning. Im controversial politically, religiously, and I'm also an Auditor. So if you're offended easily or closed minded. This is not the channel for you. Just a heads up. email [ mailto:vividimagetats420@gmail.com | vividimagetats420@gmail.com ] [ https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__paypal.me_jswoodworks&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=YGsu6pQk2nQCE_TaHIHyuwOSOv0Sc08sqK_MktVumeM&m=U2m0P6hIlnGvzqEAQzk_XyZInM8s7rcPEJTWJpFZs-A&s=1zGUHJjdm3WisRS-cIkRBv8RoR-VnsrqARCWIwG7kzM&e= ] [ https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__paypal.me_jswoodworks&d=DwQGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=YGsu6pQk2nQCE_TaHIHyuwOSOv0Sc08sqK_MktVumeM&m=U2m0P6hIlnGvzqEAQzk_XyZInM8s7rcPEJTWJpFZs-A&s=1zGUHJjdm3WisRS-cIkRBv8RoR-VnsrqARCWIwG7kzM&e= | paypal.me/jswoodworks ] Cash app $FRICNMEDIA The world we live in! Sherry Martin On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 9:40 AM SF Director Account via Michlib-l < [ mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org | michlib-l@mcls.org ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Good morning, I have never heard of this. Why is the U.S. Constitution for Dummies a book they would ask about? Is there a process or procedure for how libraries should act or react to this group? You mention being respectful but anything else? Any assistance in this for me to inform my staff would very helpful. Matt Lubbers-Moore From: "Perri Saunders via Michlib-l" < [ mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org | michlib-l@mcls.org ] > To: "michlib-l" < [ mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org | michlib-l@mcls.org ] > Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 1:28:09 PM Subject: [Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit Just had our first First Amendment Audit. It went very well, actually. I spotted them before they came in so we could gather ourselves for a minute - make sure no patron names were on screens, and the reserve shelf had no names showing, etc. Two people (man and woman) came in with cameras. I welcomed them from the circ desk as I would anyone else (maybe a little more enthusiastically). The man asked if we had the U.S. Constitution for Dummies and we talked about that a little. I offered to show them around, but they just wanted to walk around and film. We only had one patron in here at the time, so when the man started that way, I just told him that he was welcome to film anywhere in the public areas as long as he didn't interfere with other patrons' enjoyment of the library. We were respectful and, in turn, they were respectful, so it went just fine. They were here for about 15 minutes. I won't lie - it felt like longer. I know that this man, FRICN MEDIA, has lots of 1st Amendment Audit videos on YouTube, many of which turned confrontational. We were welcoming, forthcoming, and really boring. Score! Like Kate Andrade said, "It's not if, it's when". We might as well be prepared. Have a great day! Perri -- Perri Saunders, Director White Pigeon Township Library 102 N. Kalamazoo St., P.O. 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Well said, Joseph! If we were to remove the whole "First Amendment Auditor" thing from this conversation, would we tolerate the behavior some of us have seen? In my case, I would be telling you about a drunk man who repeatedly called the library, swore at my assistant, harassed the city billing clerk, and followed the clerk to her car and loudly recited her license plate and details about her car. Cut out the "First Amendment Audit" part, and maybe the Negaunee City Police would have arrested him for being drunk and disorderly, instead of just watching him stalk the clerk. Leave that part out, and maybe I wouldn't have yelled at the police chief in the department head meeting that followed, about how our force refuses to protect city employees. Leave the "First Amendment Audit" part out of this conversation, and we might not have librarians who privately emailed me after I shared our experience, to say that they've also had similar patron interactions. Leave out the "First Amendment Audit" and maybe other librarians wouldn't tell me that the clerk should have just smiled and humored the guy. So, why give these "auditors" more leniency than we give other belligerent patrons? Jessica Holman Library Director Negaunee Public Library On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 2:56 PM Turbok, Joseph via Michlib-l < michlib-l@mcls.org> wrote:

Any actual tax paying patron from our community who seriously wants to know about Library business is welcome to come and ask within respectful boundaries. An outsider whose main purpose is become YouTube famous and scam people out of money online will still be treated respectfully but with probably less patience if things become confrontational. This is not a question of giving people a chance. It should be pretty obvious pretty quickly what kind of person you are actually dealing with. This gas lighting narrative where Librarians are abusing the public trust or citizens’ rights because we don’t want to be treated like garbage is bizarre.

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Thoughts you can choose to digest or ignore:

Being a public institution, consent is not needed to be filmed. Being a public servant, consent is not needed to be filmed while serving the public. Being a public servant, these audits should be taken seriously, as they are (at the core) being done by concerned patrons. If you are part of a consortium, they may be your patrons even if they are not from your city or generally considered community, as you are part of a collective. These should not be something to be feared, nor fought. The money we use is paid by taxes of citizens, and it is their right to inquire about policies, how the library is governed, the collection, and if the staff is aware of the rights of citizens in their libraries. Use this as an opportunity to listen to those who (it appears) you may have a difference of opinion from, rather than an attack on the library or you/your staff. Yes, these citizens sometimes try to "catch" you being scared or intimidated, or ignorant to their rights, because when these first started years ago, many facilities were. Get ahead of the auditors and take time to understand their purpose, review if your collection needs around constitutional/governmental materials and train staff on the rights of patrons/citizens in a public space. Heck, you could even have a program on citizen rights in public and private spaces and can show the auditors that you are aware of their concerns and are addressing them.

I personally would interact with an auditor, to know how the library is perceived by those who have concerns over their rights in a time when rights are being reduced by governing bodies. Why not request to sit and have a conversation with them rather than shy away? They want to be heard, same as everyone else with concerns, so, why not listen? By being negative toward them (even if it's only in internal emails), you are being negative toward an entire demographic that your library may be excluding (or ridiculing), based on perception alone, which is counterintuitive to an institution that wishes to have full community support and usage.

Now, I would like to say, nothing is ever absolute, and those who had a negative experience with a hostile audit, is not the norm (as showcased in this thread and across the internet). Do not assume your auditor will be hostile, just as you wouldn't assume the intention of any other patron entering your facility.

Just some thoughts from someone who's watched MANY audit videos, from across the country, and someone who can recognize that they have a right to do what they do. (If being filmed is an issue for you, as it is with me, politely request not to have your face included. Use honey, not vinegar.)

Public school audits is a great question, personally, I haven't seen any done.

Betty

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:05 AM Turbok, Joseph via Michlib-l < michlib-l@mcls.org> wrote:

I am not that familiar with Youtube flagging but can these videos possibly be flagged by the people within them for either harassment or lack of consent to be filmed?

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Matt,

They request that book because if library staff tries to argue with them or kick them out, the “auditor” can point out that we are ignorant of the Constitution yet have the book on our shelves. Having suffered through some of the YouTube messages, they seem to take a special delight in mentioning this. Also, they audit us done under the guise of “educating” us about individuals rights.

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"Members only" videos and a PayPal link. I wonder how much this jamoke makes from this scam?

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 9:54 AM Sherry Martin via Michlib-l < michlib-l@mcls.org> wrote:

I Googled "FRICN MEDIA" (I'm assuming this stands for Freaking Media) and found their YouTube channel. This isn't a professional organization. It's a couple of Michigan citizens checking up on various government agencies.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYl7s-1p4ba4dgcAZidNFGw

On their About tab:

DescriptionWarning. Im controversial politically, religiously, and I'm also an Auditor. So if you're offended easily or closed minded. This is not the channel for you. Just a heads up. email vividimagetats420@gmail.com paypal.me/jswoodworks Cash app $FRICNMEDIA

The world we live in!

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On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 9:40 AM SF Director Account via Michlib-l < michlib-l@mcls.org> wrote:

Good morning,

I have never heard of this. Why is the *U.S. Constitution for Dummies* a book they would ask about? Is there a process or procedure for how libraries should act or react to this group? You mention being respectful but anything else?

Any assistance in this for me to inform my staff would very helpful.

Matt Lubbers-Moore

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Just had our first First Amendment Audit. It went very well, actually.

I spotted them before they came in so we could gather ourselves for a minute - make sure no patron names were on screens, and the reserve shelf had no names showing, etc.

Two people (man and woman) came in with cameras. I welcomed them from the circ desk as I would anyone else (maybe a *little* more enthusiastically). The man asked if we had the U.S. Constitution for Dummies and we talked about that a little.

I offered to show them around, but they just wanted to walk around and film. We only had one patron in here at the time, so when the man started that way, I just told him that he was welcome to film anywhere in the public areas as long as he didn't interfere with other patrons' enjoyment of the library.

We were respectful and, in turn, they were respectful, so it went just fine. They were here for about 15 minutes. I won't lie - it felt like longer.

I know that this man, FRICN MEDIA, has lots of 1st Amendment Audit videos on YouTube, many of which turned confrontational. We were welcoming, forthcoming, and really boring. Score!

Like Kate Andrade said, "It's not if, it's when". We might as well be prepared.

Have a great day!

Perri

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This discussion kind of reminds me of the days/early months after 9/11/2001 when we weren’t sure how to handle “Arab” looking people coming in to use our internet stations and asking for materials of a “suspicious” nature. In the end, we relied on the library bill of rights and provided the information and computer access and hoped for the best. In the present moment, I fall back on library policies, reasonable accommodation, and polite service to all and yes, hope for the best. [cid:LivoniaLibrary-150_448311fd-878c-427d-a2b3-a583dea86bcb.png]<http://www.livoniapubliclibrary.org> Donna Winter Assistant Branch Librarian Livonia Public Library (734) 466-2675 dwinter@livoniapubliclibrary.org www.livoniapubliclibrary.org<http://www.livoniapubliclibrary.org> [cid:SocialLink_Facebook_32x32_f4cd0f65-1d29-42e1-8c6b-fa4525a26a66.png] <https://www.facebook.com/livonialibrary/> [cid:SocialLink_Twitter_32x32_88eae9ba-dbc6-4e96-8fbb-583ba4e951d4.png] <https://twitter.com/livonia_library> [cid:SocialLink_Youtube_32x32_aebcc362-2268-4807-a71b-51f1c09418fd.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC81D_yBDdwEXucKYYvCnXOQ> This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable laws. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone and/or reply to this e-mail message. Thank you. ________________________________ From: Michlib-l <michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org> on behalf of AD Jeffrey Babbitt via Michlib-l <michlib-l@mcls.org> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 11:31:29 AM To: Jessica Holman <jdholman.npl@gmail.com> Cc: michlib-l@mcls.org <michlib-l@mcls.org> Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit Perhaps it is because I'm coming from a privileged position, not being a member of any visible marginalized community, but I think some good points have been made on both sides of the debate in this thread. I don't see a conflict between holding all patrons to reasonable behavioral boundaries and holding ourselves to reasonable expectations of professionalism. (I have no problem excusing librarians for what might be called "lapses in professionalism" when confronted with belligerent, politically driven "auditor" behavior, especially if it resonates with personal trauma. No one carries the weight of their profession or their community entirely on their shoulders, and there is always space to pick up the pieces later.) I don't see a conflict between librarians being cognizant of both our rights and our responsibilities to the public, nor between the public's rights and the limitations thereof. I don't see a conflict between finding value in the founding documents of the country and recognizing the flaws (some of them unforgiveable) of those documents, the people who composed them, and the ways they've been implemented. This whole discussion has moved me to bulk up the parts of our collection on the U.S. Constitution and constitutional law, which I've discovered is shockingly dismal, and to do sort of a First Amendment Audit of my own, along with the Diversity Audit I had been looking toward. Like I said, it may be my privileged position as a white male of middle-class WASP extraction that colors my glasses a little rosy, or perhaps it's my aversion to conflict. This discussion has educated me on some important issues and given me several useful resources, and I am grateful for it. Jeffrey Babbitt, MLIS Director Dorr Township Library 1804 Sunset Dr. Dorr, MI 49323 616-681-9678 (o) 269-598-6929 (m) ________________________________ From: "Jessica Holman via Michlib-l" <michlib-l@mcls.org> To: "Turbok, Joseph" <jturbok@sccl.lib.mi.us> Cc: michlib-l@mcls.org Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 3:14:58 PM Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit Well said, Joseph! If we were to remove the whole "First Amendment Auditor" thing from this conversation, would we tolerate the behavior some of us have seen? In my case, I would be telling you about a drunk man who repeatedly called the library, swore at my assistant, harassed the city billing clerk, and followed the clerk to her car and loudly recited her license plate and details about her car. Cut out the "First Amendment Audit" part, and maybe the Negaunee City Police would have arrested him for being drunk and disorderly, instead of just watching him stalk the clerk. Leave that part out, and maybe I wouldn't have yelled at the police chief in the department head meeting that followed, about how our force refuses to protect city employees. Leave the "First Amendment Audit" part out of this conversation, and we might not have librarians who privately emailed me after I shared our experience, to say that they've also had similar patron interactions. Leave out the "First Amendment Audit" and maybe other librarians wouldn't tell me that the clerk should have just smiled and humored the guy. So, why give these "auditors" more leniency than we give other belligerent patrons? Jessica Holman Library Director Negaunee Public Library On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 2:56 PM Turbok, Joseph via Michlib-l <michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org>> wrote: Any actual tax paying patron from our community who seriously wants to know about Library business is welcome to come and ask within respectful boundaries. An outsider whose main purpose is become YouTube famous and scam people out of money online will still be treated respectfully but with probably less patience if things become confrontational. This is not a question of giving people a chance. It should be pretty obvious pretty quickly what kind of person you are actually dealing with. This gas lighting narrative where Librarians are abusing the public trust or citizens’ rights because we don’t want to be treated like garbage is bizarre. From: Betty Adams [mailto:badams@inksterlibrary.org<mailto:badams@inksterlibrary.org>] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 1:10 PM To: Turbok, Joseph Cc: michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org> Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit EMAIL ORIGIN EXTERNAL: Use proper judgment and caution when opening attachments, clicking links, or responding to this email. Thoughts you can choose to digest or ignore: Being a public institution, consent is not needed to be filmed. Being a public servant, consent is not needed to be filmed while serving the public. Being a public servant, these audits should be taken seriously, as they are (at the core) being done by concerned patrons. If you are part of a consortium, they may be your patrons even if they are not from your city or generally considered community, as you are part of a collective. These should not be something to be feared, nor fought. The money we use is paid by taxes of citizens, and it is their right to inquire about policies, how the library is governed, the collection, and if the staff is aware of the rights of citizens in their libraries. Use this as an opportunity to listen to those who (it appears) you may have a difference of opinion from, rather than an attack on the library or you/your staff. Yes, these citizens sometimes try to "catch" you being scared or intimidated, or ignorant to their rights, because when these first started years ago, many facilities were. Get ahead of the auditors and take time to understand their purpose, review if your collection needs around constitutional/governmental materials and train staff on the rights of patrons/citizens in a public space. Heck, you could even have a program on citizen rights in public and private spaces and can show the auditors that you are aware of their concerns and are addressing them. I personally would interact with an auditor, to know how the library is perceived by those who have concerns over their rights in a time when rights are being reduced by governing bodies. Why not request to sit and have a conversation with them rather than shy away? They want to be heard, same as everyone else with concerns, so, why not listen? By being negative toward them (even if it's only in internal emails), you are being negative toward an entire demographic that your library may be excluding (or ridiculing), based on perception alone, which is counterintuitive to an institution that wishes to have full community support and usage. Now, I would like to say, nothing is ever absolute, and those who had a negative experience with a hostile audit, is not the norm (as showcased in this thread and across the internet). Do not assume your auditor will be hostile, just as you wouldn't assume the intention of any other patron entering your facility. Just some thoughts from someone who's watched MANY audit videos, from across the country, and someone who can recognize that they have a right to do what they do. (If being filmed is an issue for you, as it is with me, politely request not to have your face included. Use honey, not vinegar.) Public school audits is a great question, personally, I haven't seen any done. Betty On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:05 AM Turbok, Joseph via Michlib-l <michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org>> wrote: I am not that familiar with Youtube flagging but can these videos possibly be flagged by the people within them for either harassment or lack of consent to be filmed? From: Michlib-l [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org>] On Behalf Of Christopher Nadeau via Michlib-l Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 9:02 AM To: Bill Wines; Sherry Martin Cc: SF Director Account; michlib-l Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit EMAIL ORIGIN EXTERNAL: Use proper judgment and caution when opening attachments, clicking links, or responding to this email. Matt, They request that book because if library staff tries to argue with them or kick them out, the “auditor” can point out that we are ignorant of the Constitution yet have the book on our shelves. Having suffered through some of the YouTube messages, they seem to take a special delight in mentioning this. Also, they audit us done under the guise of “educating” us about individuals rights. From: Bill Wines <bwines@commercelibrary.info<mailto:bwines@commercelibrary.info>> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 11:51 AM To: Sherry Martin <MartinS@gpschools.org<mailto:MartinS@gpschools.org>> Cc: SF Director Account <frudir@llcoop.org<mailto:frudir@llcoop.org>>; michlib-l <michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org>> Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit "Members only" videos and a PayPal link. I wonder how much this jamoke makes from this scam? On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 9:54 AM Sherry Martin via Michlib-l <michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org>> wrote: I Googled "FRICN MEDIA" (I'm assuming this stands for Freaking Media) and found their YouTube channel. This isn't a professional organization. It's a couple of Michigan citizens checking up on various government agencies. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYl7s-1p4ba4dgcAZidNFGw On their About tab: DescriptionWarning. Im controversial politically, religiously, and I'm also an Auditor. So if you're offended easily or closed minded. This is not the channel for you. Just a heads up. email vividimagetats420@gmail.com<mailto:vividimagetats420@gmail.com> paypal.me/jswoodworks<http://paypal.me/jswoodworks> Cash app $FRICNMEDIA The world we live in! Sherry Martin On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 9:40 AM SF Director Account via Michlib-l <michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org>> wrote: Good morning, I have never heard of this. Why is the U.S. Constitution for Dummies a book they would ask about? Is there a process or procedure for how libraries should act or react to this group? You mention being respectful but anything else? Any assistance in this for me to inform my staff would very helpful. Matt Lubbers-Moore ________________________________ From: "Perri Saunders via Michlib-l" <michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org>> To: "michlib-l" <michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org>> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 1:28:09 PM Subject: [Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit Just had our first First Amendment Audit. It went very well, actually. I spotted them before they came in so we could gather ourselves for a minute - make sure no patron names were on screens, and the reserve shelf had no names showing, etc. Two people (man and woman) came in with cameras. I welcomed them from the circ desk as I would anyone else (maybe a little more enthusiastically). The man asked if we had the U.S. Constitution for Dummies and we talked about that a little. I offered to show them around, but they just wanted to walk around and film. We only had one patron in here at the time, so when the man started that way, I just told him that he was welcome to film anywhere in the public areas as long as he didn't interfere with other patrons' enjoyment of the library. We were respectful and, in turn, they were respectful, so it went just fine. They were here for about 15 minutes. I won't lie - it felt like longer. I know that this man, FRICN MEDIA, has lots of 1st Amendment Audit videos on YouTube, many of which turned confrontational. We were welcoming, forthcoming, and really boring. Score! Like Kate Andrade said, "It's not if, it's when". We might as well be prepared. Have a great day! Perri -- Perri Saunders, Director White Pigeon Township Library 102 N. Kalamazoo St., P.O. 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Perhaps this is something we should discuss at the director's meeting on friday. Amber McLain Library Director, Patmos Library (she/hers/hers) ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Kish via Michlib-l <michlib-l@mcls.org> To: SF Director Account <frudir@llcoop.org> Cc: michlib-l <Michlib-l@mcls.org> Sent: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 09:52:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit I am curious if there is a governing body for these and who they are. As a former bank manager, I am not unfamiliar with being audited but there was always a governing body (either the bank itself or an official governmental body like the Office of the Comptroller of Currency) that was executing an audit for regulatory purposes. I am all for protecting patron privacy, but there is also an employee privacy issue to consider if an ungoverned third party is allowed unobstructed access to back of house operations. My employees were aware that there were cameras everywhere (it was a bank, after all) but we also knew for certain who had access to the images captured on those cameras and what they were used for. As for looking for certain items in a collection... it is the library's job to audit the collection, not some third party. There is a method and a process. I would have asked what data the auditors were using to determine that the requested item should be part of the collection. I would have also asked them both for ID, contact information and recorded it and asked them to clear it with the library's legal team before letting them access the facility. My two cents. Steven PS. Please be mindful that all MichLib emails are recorded and Google searchable when replying to this post. On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 9:38 AM SF Director Account via Michlib-l < michlib-l@mcls.org> wrote:

Good morning,

I have never heard of this. Why is the *U.S. Constitution for Dummies* a book they would ask about? Is there a process or procedure for how libraries should act or react to this group? You mention being respectful but anything else?

Any assistance in this for me to inform my staff would very helpful.

Matt Lubbers-Moore

------------------------------ *From: *"Perri Saunders via Michlib-l" <michlib-l@mcls.org> *To: *"michlib-l" <michlib-l@mcls.org> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 11, 2022 1:28:09 PM *Subject: *[Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit

Just had our first First Amendment Audit. It went very well, actually.

I spotted them before they came in so we could gather ourselves for a minute - make sure no patron names were on screens, and the reserve shelf had no names showing, etc. Two people (man and woman) came in with cameras. I welcomed them from the circ desk as I would anyone else (maybe a *little* more enthusiastically). The man asked if we had the U.S. Constitution for Dummies and we talked about that a little.

I offered to show them around, but they just wanted to walk around and film. We only had one patron in here at the time, so when the man started that way, I just told him that he was welcome to film anywhere in the public areas as long as he didn't interfere with other patrons' enjoyment of the library.

We were respectful and, in turn, they were respectful, so it went just fine. They were here for about 15 minutes. I won't lie - it felt like longer.

I know that this man, FRICN MEDIA, has lots of 1st Amendment Audit videos on YouTube, many of which turned confrontational. We were welcoming, forthcoming, and really boring. Score!

Like Kate Andrade said, "It's not if, it's when". We might as well be prepared.

Have a great day! Perri

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This is a complicated issue with a host of legal concerns, but in my opinion these "audits" aren't true audits. This is an individual (a social media "influencer" if you will) who is mining public spaces for free content he can monetize for his personal benefit, and the goal here (for us) is to* not *provide that content to him. The best way to do that is to be as non-confrontational as you can while protecting the rights of your patrons and staff. Boring video footage does not get aired/posted to the channel. You want to be boring. He will look for opportunities to escalate the situation to capture YouTube-worthy video. On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 10:34 AM AD Jeffrey Babbitt via Michlib-l < michlib-l@mcls.org> wrote:

It would make for a fascinating and helpful discussion. I'm not very familiar with FRICN MEDIA, but was under the impression it was just a guy with a YouTube channel, which is how everything seems to start in the digital age. As a new director with little to no experience with auditors, I would appreciate hearing more about this from more experienced administrators. At any rate, a First Amendment Audit is a deeply interesting idea, public sector or no.

Jeffrey Babbitt, MLIS Director Dorr Township Library 1804 Sunset Dr. Dorr, MI 49323 616-681-9678 (o) 269-598-6929 (m)

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Perhaps this is something we should discuss at the director's meeting on friday.

Amber McLain Library Director, Patmos Library (she/hers/hers)

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I am curious if there is a governing body for these and who they are.

As a former bank manager, I am not unfamiliar with being audited but there was always a governing body (either the bank itself or an official governmental body like the Office of the Comptroller of Currency) that was executing an audit for regulatory purposes. I am all for protecting patron privacy, but there is also an employee privacy issue to consider if an ungoverned third party is allowed unobstructed access to back of house operations. My employees were aware that there were cameras everywhere (it was a bank, after all) but we also knew for certain who had access to the images captured on those cameras and what they were used for.

As for looking for certain items in a collection... it is the library's job to audit the collection, not some third party. There is a method and a process. I would have asked what data the auditors were using to determine that the requested item should be part of the collection. I would have also asked them both for ID, contact information and recorded it and asked them to clear it with the library's legal team before letting them access the facility.

My two cents.

Steven

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On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 9:38 AM SF Director Account via Michlib-l < michlib-l@mcls.org> wrote:

...

Good morning,

I have never heard of this. Why is the *U.S. Constitution for Dummies* a book they would ask about? Is there a process or procedure for how libraries should act or react to this group? You mention being respectful but anything else?

Any assistance in this for me to inform my staff would very helpful.

Matt Lubbers-Moore

------------------------------ *From: *"Perri Saunders via Michlib-l" <michlib-l@mcls.org> *To: *"michlib-l" <michlib-l@mcls.org> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 11, 2022 1:28:09 PM *Subject: *[Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit

Just had our first First Amendment Audit. It went very well, actually.

I spotted them before they came in so we could gather ourselves for a minute - make sure no patron names were on screens, and the reserve shelf had no names showing, etc. Two people (man and woman) came in with cameras. I welcomed them from the circ desk as I would anyone else (maybe a *little* more enthusiastically). The man asked if we had the U.S. Constitution for Dummies and we talked about that a little.

I offered to show them around, but they just wanted to walk around and film. We only had one patron in here at the time, so when the man started that way, I just told him that he was welcome to film anywhere in the public areas as long as he didn't interfere with other patrons' enjoyment of the library.

We were respectful and, in turn, they were respectful, so it went just fine. They were here for about 15 minutes. I won't lie - it felt like longer.

I know that this man, FRICN MEDIA, has lots of 1st Amendment Audit videos on YouTube, many of which turned confrontational. We were welcoming, forthcoming, and really boring. Score!

Like Kate Andrade said, "It's not if, it's when". We might as well be prepared.

Have a great day! Perri

-- Perri Saunders, Director White Pigeon Township Library 102 N. Kalamazoo St., P.O. Box 399 White Pigeon, MI 49099 269-483-7409 *p.saunders@woodlands.lib.mi.us <p.saunders@woodlands.lib.mi.us> *

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The Library of Michigan overview on 1st Amendment Audits was great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVjKMtoMdp8 Gives you a good background on what they are and how to deal with them. The key is to be real calm and basically not get riled up so that they are not interested and leave quickly. Hope that helps. -Steve Steven K. Bowers Executive Director The Library Network (248) 536-3100 x107 sbowers@tln.lib.mi.us www.tln.org/ (he/him/his) ----- Original Message ----- From: "michlib-l@mcls.org" <michlib-l@mcls.org> To: "Steven Kish" <skish@ltu.edu> Cc: "frudir" <frudir@llcoop.org>, "michlib-l@mcls.org" <Michlib-l@mcls.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 10:02:14 AM Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit Perhaps this is something we should discuss at the director's meeting on friday. Amber McLain Library Director, Patmos Library (she/hers/hers) ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Kish via Michlib-l <michlib-l@mcls.org> To: SF Director Account <frudir@llcoop.org> Cc: michlib-l <Michlib-l@mcls.org> Sent: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 09:52:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit I am curious if there is a governing body for these and who they are. As a former bank manager, I am not unfamiliar with being audited but there was always a governing body (either the bank itself or an official governmental body like the Office of the Comptroller of Currency) that was executing an audit for regulatory purposes. I am all for protecting patron privacy, but there is also an employee privacy issue to consider if an ungoverned third party is allowed unobstructed access to back of house operations. My employees were aware that there were cameras everywhere (it was a bank, after all) but we also knew for certain who had access to the images captured on those cameras and what they were used for. As for looking for certain items in a collection... it is the library's job to audit the collection, not some third party. There is a method and a process. I would have asked what data the auditors were using to determine that the requested item should be part of the collection. I would have also asked them both for ID, contact information and recorded it and asked them to clear it with the library's legal team before letting them access the facility. My two cents. Steven PS. Please be mindful that all MichLib emails are recorded and Google searchable when replying to this post. On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 9:38 AM SF Director Account via Michlib-l < michlib-l@mcls.org> wrote:

Good morning,

I have never heard of this. Why is the *U.S. Constitution for Dummies* a book they would ask about? Is there a process or procedure for how libraries should act or react to this group? You mention being respectful but anything else?

Any assistance in this for me to inform my staff would very helpful.

Matt Lubbers-Moore

------------------------------ *From: *"Perri Saunders via Michlib-l" <michlib-l@mcls.org> *To: *"michlib-l" <michlib-l@mcls.org> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 11, 2022 1:28:09 PM *Subject: *[Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit

Just had our first First Amendment Audit. It went very well, actually.

I spotted them before they came in so we could gather ourselves for a minute - make sure no patron names were on screens, and the reserve shelf had no names showing, etc. Two people (man and woman) came in with cameras. I welcomed them from the circ desk as I would anyone else (maybe a *little* more enthusiastically). The man asked if we had the U.S. Constitution for Dummies and we talked about that a little.

I offered to show them around, but they just wanted to walk around and film. We only had one patron in here at the time, so when the man started that way, I just told him that he was welcome to film anywhere in the public areas as long as he didn't interfere with other patrons' enjoyment of the library.

We were respectful and, in turn, they were respectful, so it went just fine. They were here for about 15 minutes. I won't lie - it felt like longer.

I know that this man, FRICN MEDIA, has lots of 1st Amendment Audit videos on YouTube, many of which turned confrontational. We were welcoming, forthcoming, and really boring. Score!

Like Kate Andrade said, "It's not if, it's when". We might as well be prepared.

Have a great day! Perri

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We had one come and walk all over town. They even came into the library, and other than greeting them my staff didn't acknowledge them and they ended up cutting the library out of their posted video all together because we were so boring! Anna Curtis, Director Eaton Rapids Area District Librar Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ From: Michlib-l <michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org> on behalf of Lisa Waskin via Michlib-l <michlib-l@mcls.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 11:50:42 AM To: Steven K. Bowers <sbowers@tln.lib.mi.us>; MichLib-L Listserv <michlib-l@mail2.mcls.org> Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit Exactly this Steve. They want fodder for their videos. Don't give them anything interesting to share online, and they will most likely go away. -----Original Message----- From: Michlib-l [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org] On Behalf Of Steven K. Bowers via Michlib-l Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 10:52 AM To: MichLib-L Listserv <michlib-l@mail2.mcls.org> Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit The Library of Michigan overview on 1st Amendment Audits was great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVjKMtoMdp8 Gives you a good background on what they are and how to deal with them. The key is to be real calm and basically not get riled up so that they are not interested and leave quickly. Hope that helps. -Steve Steven K. Bowers Executive Director The Library Network (248) 536-3100 x107 sbowers@tln.lib.mi.us www.tln.org/<http://www.tln.org/> (he/him/his) ----- Original Message ----- From: "michlib-l@mcls.org" <michlib-l@mcls.org> To: "Steven Kish" <skish@ltu.edu> Cc: "frudir" <frudir@llcoop.org>, "michlib-l@mcls.org" <Michlib-l@mcls.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 10:02:14 AM Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit Perhaps this is something we should discuss at the director's meeting on friday. Amber McLain Library Director, Patmos Library (she/hers/hers) ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Kish via Michlib-l <michlib-l@mcls.org> To: SF Director Account <frudir@llcoop.org> Cc: michlib-l <Michlib-l@mcls.org> Sent: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 09:52:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit I am curious if there is a governing body for these and who they are. As a former bank manager, I am not unfamiliar with being audited but there was always a governing body (either the bank itself or an official governmental body like the Office of the Comptroller of Currency) that was executing an audit for regulatory purposes. I am all for protecting patron privacy, but there is also an employee privacy issue to consider if an ungoverned third party is allowed unobstructed access to back of house operations. My employees were aware that there were cameras everywhere (it was a bank, after all) but we also knew for certain who had access to the images captured on those cameras and what they were used for. As for looking for certain items in a collection... it is the library's job to audit the collection, not some third party. There is a method and a process. I would have asked what data the auditors were using to determine that the requested item should be part of the collection. I would have also asked them both for ID, contact information and recorded it and asked them to clear it with the library's legal team before letting them access the facility. My two cents. Steven PS. Please be mindful that all MichLib emails are recorded and Google searchable when replying to this post. On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 9:38 AM SF Director Account via Michlib-l < michlib-l@mcls.org> wrote:

Good morning,

I have never heard of this. Why is the *U.S. Constitution for Dummies* a book they would ask about? Is there a process or procedure for how libraries should act or react to this group? You mention being respectful but anything else?

Any assistance in this for me to inform my staff would very helpful.

Matt Lubbers-Moore

------------------------------ *From: *"Perri Saunders via Michlib-l" <michlib-l@mcls.org> *To: *"michlib-l" <michlib-l@mcls.org> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 11, 2022 1:28:09 PM *Subject: *[Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit

Just had our first First Amendment Audit. It went very well, actually.

I spotted them before they came in so we could gather ourselves for a minute - make sure no patron names were on screens, and the reserve shelf had no names showing, etc. Two people (man and woman) came in with cameras. I welcomed them from the circ desk as I would anyone else (maybe a *little* more enthusiastically). The man asked if we had the U.S. Constitution for Dummies and we talked about that a little.

I offered to show them around, but they just wanted to walk around and film. We only had one patron in here at the time, so when the man started that way, I just told him that he was welcome to film anywhere in the public areas as long as he didn't interfere with other patrons' enjoyment of the library.

We were respectful and, in turn, they were respectful, so it went just fine. They were here for about 15 minutes. I won't lie - it felt like longer.

I know that this man, FRICN MEDIA, has lots of 1st Amendment Audit videos on YouTube, many of which turned confrontational. We were welcoming, forthcoming, and really boring. Score!

Like Kate Andrade said, "It's not if, it's when". We might as well be prepared.

Have a great day! Perri

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The Hillsdale Community Library had these “auditors” stop in, we were very boring and still made the cut for the City of Hillsdale final video. I have no idea why we made the cut. In the video, they filmed our patron policies and called us tyrants. They followed me when I stepped onto the floor to try and find our volunteer and pull him into the back. Since our volunteer has autism, I was only concerned to protect him. We have a wall called “The Freedom Wall” and it has the entire constitution framed and displayed, it was a donation awhile back, they made a comment about that, which was not positive either. I did not think we would make the cut, but we did. So, I would say even if you are “boring” you can still be put in the video. I was yelled at and told that our policies are from a non-governing body… he went on but I didn’t listen because I was just trying to walk off the floor and honestly could have cared less why he was yelling at me. I know in the comments of our video they claimed I said “I’m calling my mom and reporting this!”. I am sure it was referring to my age, since I am younger, but I can guarantee you that thought never crossed my mind. To answer your question Jessica, we also had a negative experience, not to your extreme, but it wasn’t pleasant. Best, Bryonna Barton, MLIS Hillsdale Community Library Library Director director@hillsdale-library.org<mailto:director@hillsdale-library.org> 11 E. Bacon St Hillsdale MI 49242 Main: 517.437.6470 Director: 517.437.6472 From: Michlib-l <michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org> On Behalf Of Jessica Holman via Michlib-l Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 12:08 PM To: Lisa Waskin <lwaskin@superiordistrictlibrary.org> Cc: Steven K. Bowers <sbowers@tln.lib.mi.us>; MichLib-L Listserv <michlib-l@mail2.mcls.org> Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit Out of curiosity, is the Negaunee City Hall and Public Library the only place that has had a really negative experience with an alleged First Amendment Auditor? Are we seriously the only place that has had a staff member that was called a "fucking bitch" because we're offering curbside services and did not let him inside? Is the billing clerk from Negaunee City Hall the only person who has been followed to her car by one of these people - where he filmed and recited her license plate number, and the make, model, and color of her car? Maybe our "auditor" was just unique, and they're normally pleasant people? Jessica Holman Library Director Negaunee Public Library 319 West Case Street Negaunee, MI 49866 (906) 475-7700 ext. 18 she/her/hers On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 11:53 AM Lisa Waskin via Michlib-l <michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org>> wrote: Exactly this Steve. They want fodder for their videos. Don't give them anything interesting to share online, and they will most likely go away. -----Original Message----- From: Michlib-l [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org>] On Behalf Of Steven K. Bowers via Michlib-l Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 10:52 AM To: MichLib-L Listserv <michlib-l@mail2.mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@mail2.mcls.org>> Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit The Library of Michigan overview on 1st Amendment Audits was great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVjKMtoMdp8 Gives you a good background on what they are and how to deal with them. The key is to be real calm and basically not get riled up so that they are not interested and leave quickly. Hope that helps. -Steve Steven K. Bowers Executive Director The Library Network (248) 536-3100 x107 sbowers@tln.lib.mi.us<mailto:sbowers@tln.lib.mi.us> www.tln.org/<http://www.tln.org/> (he/him/his) ----- Original Message ----- From: "michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org>" <michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org>> To: "Steven Kish" <skish@ltu.edu<mailto:skish@ltu.edu>> Cc: "frudir" <frudir@llcoop.org<mailto:frudir@llcoop.org>>, "michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org>" <Michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:Michlib-l@mcls.org>> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 10:02:14 AM Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit Perhaps this is something we should discuss at the director's meeting on friday. Amber McLain Library Director, Patmos Library (she/hers/hers) ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Kish via Michlib-l <michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org>> To: SF Director Account <frudir@llcoop.org<mailto:frudir@llcoop.org>> Cc: michlib-l <Michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:Michlib-l@mcls.org>> Sent: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 09:52:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit I am curious if there is a governing body for these and who they are. As a former bank manager, I am not unfamiliar with being audited but there was always a governing body (either the bank itself or an official governmental body like the Office of the Comptroller of Currency) that was executing an audit for regulatory purposes. I am all for protecting patron privacy, but there is also an employee privacy issue to consider if an ungoverned third party is allowed unobstructed access to back of house operations. My employees were aware that there were cameras everywhere (it was a bank, after all) but we also knew for certain who had access to the images captured on those cameras and what they were used for. As for looking for certain items in a collection... it is the library's job to audit the collection, not some third party. There is a method and a process. I would have asked what data the auditors were using to determine that the requested item should be part of the collection. I would have also asked them both for ID, contact information and recorded it and asked them to clear it with the library's legal team before letting them access the facility. My two cents. Steven PS. Please be mindful that all MichLib emails are recorded and Google searchable when replying to this post. On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 9:38 AM SF Director Account via Michlib-l < michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org>> wrote:

Good morning,

I have never heard of this. Why is the *U.S. Constitution for Dummies* a book they would ask about? Is there a process or procedure for how libraries should act or react to this group? You mention being respectful but anything else?

Any assistance in this for me to inform my staff would very helpful.

Matt Lubbers-Moore

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Just had our first First Amendment Audit. It went very well, actually.

I spotted them before they came in so we could gather ourselves for a minute - make sure no patron names were on screens, and the reserve shelf had no names showing, etc. Two people (man and woman) came in with cameras. I welcomed them from the circ desk as I would anyone else (maybe a *little* more enthusiastically). The man asked if we had the U.S. Constitution for Dummies and we talked about that a little.

I offered to show them around, but they just wanted to walk around and film. We only had one patron in here at the time, so when the man started that way, I just told him that he was welcome to film anywhere in the public areas as long as he didn't interfere with other patrons' enjoyment of the library.

We were respectful and, in turn, they were respectful, so it went just fine. They were here for about 15 minutes. I won't lie - it felt like longer.

I know that this man, FRICN MEDIA, has lots of 1st Amendment Audit videos on YouTube, many of which turned confrontational. We were welcoming, forthcoming, and really boring. Score!

Like Kate Andrade said, "It's not if, it's when". We might as well be prepared.

Have a great day! Perri

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Dedicated librarians: I checked out his you tube channel. Seems he is just a person getting his jollies trying to make trouble for anyone he has in front of his lens. Perhaps your association of libraries or your townships have an attorney or two who might be able to advise you of your rights. You are public employee but private persons. In California, where I am located, there is law that allows you to sue for invasion of privacy if you are filmed without your consent. You may also need to restrict the filming to only those patrons who give consent. It seems time to adopt a policy of no recordings, audio or visual, within the library without obtaining written permission ahead of time from head of the library or its authorizing/funding authority. It would not hurt to demand from him, when he shows up and claim he is auditing you, his authorizing papers for the “audit”. If he has none, then he can be asked to leave. You could have another worker call the cops and report him as falsely representing himself as a government official or auditor if he does not identify himself as just a you tube channel operator, and have the cops escort him out of the building. Best to discuss this with your chief of police first so they would have aheads up, a plan of intervention, or just give you a don’t call us message. Discuss your concerns since this seems to be nothing more than a harassment for profit by the perpetrator scheme. Many Michigan libraries are using our USgeocoder Live Demo to determine if a person is a patron or lives in another township. We are glad you all are using our Live Demo and that your patrons find the information we provide about their address and the politicians that serve them useful. I’m sorry to hear of the harassment and hope my above suggestions assist you in some way. -------- Mitchell Pearce, Co-Founder, CEO mitchell@usgeocoder.com Direct: 669-223-0209 eFax: (408) 889-2669 USgeocoder.com - Every Place Tells A Story

On Jan 12, 2022, at 11:17 AM, Lisa Waskin via Michlib-l <michlib-l@mcls.org> wrote:

I am so sorry this happened to you. Why are some people just so awful?

From: Library Director [mailto:director@hillsdale-library.org <mailto:director@hillsdale-library.org>] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 12:43 PM To: 'Jessica Holman' <jdholman.npl@gmail.com <mailto:jdholman.npl@gmail.com>>; Lisa Waskin <lwaskin@superiordistrictlibrary.org <mailto:lwaskin@superiordistrictlibrary.org>> Cc: Steven K. Bowers <sbowers@tln.lib.mi.us <mailto:sbowers@tln.lib.mi.us>>; MichLib-L Listserv <michlib-l@mail2.mcls.org <mailto:michlib-l@mail2.mcls.org>> Subject: RE: [Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit

The Hillsdale Community Library had these “auditors” stop in, we were very boring and still made the cut for the City of Hillsdale final video. I have no idea why we made the cut. In the video, they filmed our patron policies and called us tyrants. They followed me when I stepped onto the floor to try and find our volunteer and pull him into the back. Since our volunteer has autism, I was only concerned to protect him. We have a wall called “The Freedom Wall” and it has the entire constitution framed and displayed, it was a donation awhile back, they made a comment about that, which was not positive either. I did not think we would make the cut, but we did. So, I would say even if you are “boring” you can still be put in the video. I was yelled at and told that our policies are from a non-governing body… he went on but I didn’t listen because I was just trying to walk off the floor and honestly could have cared less why he was yelling at me. I know in the comments of our video they claimed I said “I’m calling my mom and reporting this!”. I am sure it was referring to my age, since I am younger, but I can guarantee you that thought never crossed my mind.

To answer your question Jessica, we also had a negative experience, not to your extreme, but it wasn’t pleasant. Best, Bryonna Barton, MLIS Hillsdale Community Library Library Director director@hillsdale-library.org <mailto:director@hillsdale-library.org> 11 E. Bacon St Hillsdale MI 49242 Main: 517.437.6470 Director: 517.437.6472

From: Michlib-l <michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org <mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org>> On Behalf Of Jessica Holman via Michlib-l Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 12:08 PM To: Lisa Waskin <lwaskin@superiordistrictlibrary.org <mailto:lwaskin@superiordistrictlibrary.org>> Cc: Steven K. Bowers <sbowers@tln.lib.mi.us <mailto:sbowers@tln.lib.mi.us>>; MichLib-L Listserv <michlib-l@mail2.mcls.org <mailto:michlib-l@mail2.mcls.org>> Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit

Out of curiosity, is the Negaunee City Hall and Public Library the only place that has had a really negative experience with an alleged First Amendment Auditor?

Are we seriously the only place that has had a staff member that was called a "fucking bitch" because we're offering curbside services and did not let him inside? Is the billing clerk from Negaunee City Hall the only person who has been followed to her car by one of these people - where he filmed and recited her license plate number, and the make, model, and color of her car?

Maybe our "auditor" was just unique, and they're normally pleasant people?

Jessica Holman Library Director Negaunee Public Library 319 West Case Street Negaunee, MI 49866 (906) 475-7700 ext. 18

she/her/hers

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 11:53 AM Lisa Waskin via Michlib-l <michlib-l@mcls.org <mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org>> wrote: Exactly this Steve. They want fodder for their videos. Don't give them anything interesting to share online, and they will most likely go away.

-----Original Message----- From: Michlib-l [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org <mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org>] On Behalf Of Steven K. Bowers via Michlib-l Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 10:52 AM To: MichLib-L Listserv <michlib-l@mail2.mcls.org <mailto:michlib-l@mail2.mcls.org>> Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit

The Library of Michigan overview on 1st Amendment Audits was great: https://u11294302.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/click?upn=3Pt1I-2FwiXUI6fb-2Btid7oFICSn... <https://u11294302.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/click?upn=3Pt1I-2FwiXUI6fb-2Btid7oFICSn69DNrNqWbLNMJNNeo2cjxJ-2Bt-2FxD56T0Adqej-2BHwK6EjPTZTvC3mamdLsOK3zg-3D-3DZ0P6_WHoNDzKqtYYSSETNfEatRmDl-2FWSOT88RLsjVR9aeMQbvyFQ7JoGKPe5QFr9Ul4-2FxCiYwYXjfyFyKVDAjWXJ5IoWHevHfRXfpxmrx4FewAqTzmNoV-2BfYGiO9LdRD2JXb1CPFzSlp-2FMuy-2BgVAj4FRzlfHDSAllT3iCDAsCK-2FRB6Yw1k4bQyqFcrjFPVD-2FQU8g1pX6cKQJQlD4ZGvacofxdBjnU3IhKSwKN5poc-2ByUBdbo-3D>

Gives you a good background on what they are and how to deal with them. The key is to be real calm and basically not get riled up so that they are not interested and leave quickly.

Hope that helps.

-Steve

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----- Original Message ----- From: "michlib-l@mcls.org <mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org>" <michlib-l@mcls.org <mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org>> To: "Steven Kish" <skish@ltu.edu <mailto:skish@ltu.edu>> Cc: "frudir" <frudir@llcoop.org <mailto:frudir@llcoop.org>>, "michlib-l@mcls.org <mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org>" <Michlib-l@mcls.org <mailto:Michlib-l@mcls.org>> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 10:02:14 AM Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit

Perhaps this is something we should discuss at the director's meeting on friday.

Amber McLain Library Director, Patmos Library (she/hers/hers)

----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Kish via Michlib-l <michlib-l@mcls.org <mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org>> To: SF Director Account <frudir@llcoop.org <mailto:frudir@llcoop.org>> Cc: michlib-l <Michlib-l@mcls.org <mailto:Michlib-l@mcls.org>> Sent: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 09:52:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit

I am curious if there is a governing body for these and who they are.

As a former bank manager, I am not unfamiliar with being audited but there was always a governing body (either the bank itself or an official governmental body like the Office of the Comptroller of Currency) that was executing an audit for regulatory purposes. I am all for protecting patron privacy, but there is also an employee privacy issue to consider if an ungoverned third party is allowed unobstructed access to back of house operations. My employees were aware that there were cameras everywhere (it was a bank, after all) but we also knew for certain who had access to the images captured on those cameras and what they were used for.

As for looking for certain items in a collection... it is the library's job to audit the collection, not some third party. There is a method and a process. I would have asked what data the auditors were using to determine that the requested item should be part of the collection. I would have also asked them both for ID, contact information and recorded it and asked them to clear it with the library's legal team before letting them access the facility.

My two cents.

Steven

PS. Please be mindful that all MichLib emails are recorded and Google searchable when replying to this post.

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 9:38 AM SF Director Account via Michlib-l < michlib-l@mcls.org <mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org>> wrote:

...

Good morning,

I have never heard of this. Why is the *U.S. Constitution for Dummies* a book they would ask about? Is there a process or procedure for how libraries should act or react to this group? You mention being respectful but anything else?

Any assistance in this for me to inform my staff would very helpful.

Matt Lubbers-Moore

------------------------------ *From: *"Perri Saunders via Michlib-l" <michlib-l@mcls.org <mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org>> *To: *"michlib-l" <michlib-l@mcls.org <mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 11, 2022 1:28:09 PM *Subject: *[Michlib-l] First Amendment Audit

Just had our first First Amendment Audit. It went very well, actually.

I spotted them before they came in so we could gather ourselves for a minute - make sure no patron names were on screens, and the reserve shelf had no names showing, etc. Two people (man and woman) came in with cameras. I welcomed them from the circ desk as I would anyone else (maybe a *little* more enthusiastically). The man asked if we had the U.S. Constitution for Dummies and we talked about that a little.

I offered to show them around, but they just wanted to walk around and film. We only had one patron in here at the time, so when the man started that way, I just told him that he was welcome to film anywhere in the public areas as long as he didn't interfere with other patrons' enjoyment of the library.

We were respectful and, in turn, they were respectful, so it went just fine. They were here for about 15 minutes. I won't lie - it felt like longer.

I know that this man, FRICN MEDIA, has lots of 1st Amendment Audit videos on YouTube, many of which turned confrontational. We were welcoming, forthcoming, and really boring. Score!

Like Kate Andrade said, "It's not if, it's when". We might as well be prepared.

Have a great day! Perri

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