Re: [Michlib-l] For those who charge for internet use. . .
Roger Mendel 01/29/16 10:28 AM >>> Sylvia: Please post what you find out. I didn't think any public
Didn't think we could charge if we receive erate funding... Kate Van Auken Rawson Memorial Library Cass City, MI library was charging for internet I would be very interested to know how many there are in the state. Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvia Merz" To: "MichLibList Serve" Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 10:17:20 AM Subject: [Michlib-l] For those who charge for internet use. . . Can you please tell me how much you charge (e.g. $5 for 60 minutes), and what your yearly revenue from those charges are on your budget. And, also what about the staff time involved in monitoring this activity: worth the investment of time? Thanks. Sylvia Merz, Director Leland Township Library 203 E. Cedar St., P.O. Box 736 Leland, MI 49654-0736 PH: 231-256-9152 FAX: 231-256-8847 Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, & Friday — 10 to 5 Wednesday—10 to 6 Saturday—10 to 2 lelandlibrary.org cid:image001.jpg@01CE99C7.13A1DE40 _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@mcls.org http://mail2.mcls.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l
Kate, As it was explained to me by an erate consultant a couple years ago at a TLN meeting… You can instead charge for “computer use” instead of “Internet use” to get around this. If you used federal dollars to buy the computers, too, then you can’t charge. Eric Hayes Network & Systems Administrator Orion Township Public Library orionlibrary.org<http://www.orionlibrary.org/> w. 248-287-8019 c. 248-885-2301 From: michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org] On Behalf Of Kate Van Auken Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 11:04 AM To: lelandlibrary@lelandtownshiplibrary.org; rmendel@northland.lib.mi.us Cc: michlib-l@mail2.mcls.org Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] For those who charge for internet use. . . Didn't think we could charge if we receive erate funding... Kate Van Auken Rawson Memorial Library Cass City, MI
Roger Mendel <rmendel@northland.lib.mi.us<mailto:rmendel@northland.lib.mi.us>> 01/29/16 10:28 AM >>> Sylvia: Please post what you find out. I didn't think any public library was charging for internet I would be very interested to know how many there are in the state.
Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvia Merz" <lelandlibrary@lelandtownshiplibrary.org<mailto:lelandlibrary@lelandtownshiplibrary.org>> To: "MichLibList Serve" <michlib-l@mail2.mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@mail2.mcls.org>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 10:17:20 AM Subject: [Michlib-l] For those who charge for internet use. . . Can you please tell me how much you charge (e.g. $5 for 60 minutes), and what your yearly revenue from those charges are on your budget. And, also what about the staff time involved in monitoring this activity: worth the investment of time? Thanks. Sylvia Merz, Director Leland Township Library 203 E. Cedar St., P.O. Box 736 Leland, MI 49654-0736 PH: 231-256-9152 FAX: 231-256-8847 Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, & Friday — 10 to 5 Wednesday—10 to 6 Saturday—10 to 2 lelandlibrary.org cid:image001.jpg@01CE99C7.13A1DE40 _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:Michlib-l@mcls.org> http://mail2.mcls.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l
Hi Eric, You are correct. For anyone interested in the specific guidance around this, please see below: FCC 97-157 section 566 566. Resale. Section 254(h)(3) bars entities that obtain discounts from reselling the discounted services. Telecommunications services and network capacity provided [to schools or libraries at a discount] may not be sold, resold, or otherwise transferred by such user in consideration for money or any other thing of value. And then section 567: 567. We agree, however, with the Vermont PSB that the section 254(h)(3) prohibition on resale does not prohibit an eligible entity from charging fees for any services that schools or libraries purchase that are not subject to a universal service discount. Thus, an eligible school or library may assess computer lab fees to help defray the cost of computers or training fees to help cover the cost of training because these purchases are not subsidized by the universal service support mechanisms. We also observe that, if eligible schools, libraries, or consortia amend their approved service contracts to permit another eligible school or library to share the services for which they have already contracted, it would not constitute prohibited resale, as long as the services used are only discounted by the amount to which the eligible entity actually using the services is entitled. Sonya Schryer Norris Library Consultant Library of Michigan 702 W. Kalamazoo St. P.O. Box 30007 Lansing, MI 48909-7507 Ph: 517-373-4457 Fax: 517-373-5700 Check out the curated content on the LM homepage including state and national CE offerings, LM events, stats reports, headlines from around the library world and intriguing snapshots of our varied collections at http://michigan.gov/libraryofmichigan http://mel.org<http://mel.org/> http://michlibrary.org<http://michlibrary.org/> Customer Service is a priority at the Michigan Department of Education – helping Michigan schools, families, and communities improve the achievement and well-being of ALL our children. [http://inside.michigan.gov/mde/docs/Docs%20and%20Templates/MDE%20-%20Color%2...] From: michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org] On Behalf Of Eric Hayes Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 11:07 AM To: Kate Van Auken <kvanauken@rawson.lib.mi.us>; lelandlibrary@lelandtownshiplibrary.org; rmendel@northland.lib.mi.us Cc: michlib-l@mail2.mcls.org Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] For those who charge for internet use. . . Kate, As it was explained to me by an erate consultant a couple years ago at a TLN meeting… You can instead charge for “computer use” instead of “Internet use” to get around this. If you used federal dollars to buy the computers, too, then you can’t charge. Eric Hayes Network & Systems Administrator Orion Township Public Library orionlibrary.org<http://www.orionlibrary.org/> w. 248-287-8019 c. 248-885-2301 From: michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org> [mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org] On Behalf Of Kate Van Auken Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 11:04 AM To: lelandlibrary@lelandtownshiplibrary.org<mailto:lelandlibrary@lelandtownshiplibrary.org>; rmendel@northland.lib.mi.us<mailto:rmendel@northland.lib.mi.us> Cc: michlib-l@mail2.mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@mail2.mcls.org> Subject: Re: [Michlib-l] For those who charge for internet use. . . Didn't think we could charge if we receive erate funding... Kate Van Auken Rawson Memorial Library Cass City, MI
Roger Mendel <rmendel@northland.lib.mi.us<mailto:rmendel@northland.lib.mi.us>> 01/29/16 10:28 AM >>> Sylvia: Please post what you find out. I didn't think any public library was charging for internet I would be very interested to know how many there are in the state.
Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvia Merz" <lelandlibrary@lelandtownshiplibrary.org<mailto:lelandlibrary@lelandtownshiplibrary.org>> To: "MichLibList Serve" <michlib-l@mail2.mcls.org<mailto:michlib-l@mail2.mcls.org>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 10:17:20 AM Subject: [Michlib-l] For those who charge for internet use. . . Can you please tell me how much you charge (e.g. $5 for 60 minutes), and what your yearly revenue from those charges are on your budget. And, also what about the staff time involved in monitoring this activity: worth the investment of time? Thanks. Sylvia Merz, Director Leland Township Library 203 E. Cedar St., P.O. Box 736 Leland, MI 49654-0736 PH: 231-256-9152 FAX: 231-256-8847 Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, & Friday — 10 to 5 Wednesday—10 to 6 Saturday—10 to 2 lelandlibrary.org cid:image001.jpg@01CE99C7.13A1DE40 _______________________________________________ Michlib-l mailing list Michlib-l@mcls.org<mailto:Michlib-l@mcls.org> http://mail2.mcls.org/mailman/listinfo/michlib-l
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